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What up with BBC One playout?

(November 2005)

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BT
Baroness Trumpington
Steve D posted:
when they equipped the Broadcast Centre, nobody thought to put beacons in the announcer booths instead of having the full EPAS loudspeaker system. Without annos on server they were unable to open a mic in the booth because of the loud evacuation message going off.


Typical of today's breed of jumped-up know-it-all techno freaks who think a whizz bang computer system is the be all and end all of broadcasting. Radio and TV have had muted alarms in live mic areas for decades, but the lot who rule the roost nowadays think everything "old" doesn't count any more. End of old-fart rant.
BB
BBC TV Centre
Baroness Trumpington posted:
Steve D posted:
when they equipped the Broadcast Centre, nobody thought to put beacons in the announcer booths instead of having the full EPAS loudspeaker system. Without annos on server they were unable to open a mic in the booth because of the loud evacuation message going off.


Typical of today's breed of jumped-up know-it-all techno freaks who think a whizz bang computer system is the be all and end all of broadcasting. Radio and TV have had muted alarms in live mic areas for decades, but the lot who rule the roost nowadays think everything "old" doesn't count any more. End of old-fart rant.

Didn't Chris Moyles have such a problem when the loud fire alarm went off in his old studio and they had explained to the listener on air with the alarm on in the background that they had to play the emergency tape again (which at that time had Outkast's Hey Ya as the first song after the jingle)? Confused
BB
BBC TV Centre
r2ro posted:
Steve D posted:
NickyS posted:
BBC TV Centre posted:
Before the film just now on BBC1 we had an announcerless ident; the ident played and was dipped midway through to allow for him to speak, but continued until the end clean and the audio faded out and the film started.

My sources suggest that they had to leave the playout area and it was on automation - hence no announcer.


No, they didn't evacuate - it was a fault with the alarm system. However, when they equipped the Broadcast Centre, nobody thought to put beacons in the announcer booths instead of having the full EPAS loudspeaker system. Without annos on server they were unable to open a mic in the booth because of the loud evacuation message going off. In fact it went off again at the start of Eastenders, about a second after the mic was closed. BBC TWO annos were safely on server so it was business as usual.


So if they had opened up a mic in the booth then all we would have heard would be the evacuation message? I was surprised that the announcements were live, I was led to believe that the majority were pre-recorded nowadays.

I too thought that the announcements were pre recorded and that everything was automated - and that there wouldn't be any need for many staff, only a tech op to check up every now and again that the automation was working properly, hence the comment about telling them to go and kick the computer, as I thought it had fudged up or someone had not put it in correctly on the system.

But goods to see that the CAs still are live. Are they live all the time then? Laughing

And what's this evacuation message? Is it actually spoken (as in: evacuate, evacuate, get out of here etc) or is it just a loud fire alarm?
AN
Ant
BBC TV Centre posted:
Baroness Trumpington posted:
Steve D posted:
when they equipped the Broadcast Centre, nobody thought to put beacons in the announcer booths instead of having the full EPAS loudspeaker system. Without annos on server they were unable to open a mic in the booth because of the loud evacuation message going off.


Typical of today's breed of jumped-up know-it-all techno freaks who think a whizz bang computer system is the be all and end all of broadcasting. Radio and TV have had muted alarms in live mic areas for decades, but the lot who rule the roost nowadays think everything "old" doesn't count any more. End of old-fart rant.

Didn't Chris Moyles have such a problem when the loud fire alarm went off in his old studio and they had explained to the listener on air with the alarm on in the background that they had to play the emergency tape again (which at that time had Outkast's Hey Ya as the first song after the jingle)? Confused

The fire alarm went off twice. The first time it was a silent alarm and everyone left - no-one would have noticed listening as Outcast played as normal. However it went off again and the studio went into emergency mode and the alarm sounded. So they had to play Outcast again! Listen to it here.
IS
Inspector Sands
BBC TV Centre posted:

I too thought that the announcements were pre recorded and that everything was automated - and that there wouldn't be any need for many staff, only a tech op to check up every now and again that the automation was working properly,


The BBC channels (along with all the others) have been automated for many years, but they always have someone (a director or transmission controller) there. It can't be left to get on with it - there needs to be someone there to change the schedule, deal with live programmes, and take over when the computer screws up.
IS
Inspector Sands
Steve in Pudsey posted:
stevek posted:
remember a power cut years ago knocking out the BBC for half an hour, when they returned they went straight into the next programme

That's Life.


Didn't That's Life come from the TV Theatre rather than TVC? So it could have been put to air via Brum or Lime Grove before TVC came back up.


Think it was, I suppose if it had been from TV Centre then the programme wouldn't have gone out at all.

As for getting it to air via somewhere else - I wouldn't have thought that the line from the TV Theatre would have gone anywhere else but TV centre
DA
DAS Founding member
Antz posted:
BBC TV Centre posted:
Baroness Trumpington posted:
Steve D posted:
when they equipped the Broadcast Centre, nobody thought to put beacons in the announcer booths instead of having the full EPAS loudspeaker system. Without annos on server they were unable to open a mic in the booth because of the loud evacuation message going off.


Typical of today's breed of jumped-up know-it-all techno freaks who think a whizz bang computer system is the be all and end all of broadcasting. Radio and TV have had muted alarms in live mic areas for decades, but the lot who rule the roost nowadays think everything "old" doesn't count any more. End of old-fart rant.

Didn't Chris Moyles have such a problem when the loud fire alarm went off in his old studio and they had explained to the listener on air with the alarm on in the background that they had to play the emergency tape again (which at that time had Outkast's Hey Ya as the first song after the jingle)? Confused

The fire alarm went off twice. The first time it was a silent alarm and everyone left - no-one would have noticed listening as Outcast played as normal. However it went off again and the studio went into emergency mode and the alarm sounded. So they had to play Outcast again! Listen to it here.


Exactly - the only reason it was an audible alarm was becuase the system thought there was continuing danger. The first alarm, as is logical in a radio studio, is usually a pulsating strobe light thing that tells them to put the emergency tape on and get out. The audible alarm is the one that says "I've just told you to get out" and, in theory, nobody should be talking on the radio when that one goes off.

It's very interesting to hear they didn't think of the alarms for the new Broadcast Centre. You'd think it would be one of those first-on-the-list specifications when you spend millions of pounds on new facilities. Clearly not! I'd imagine a slight change in design now they've had that experience!
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes, usually lights flash as a warning if there's an alert (i.e. a smoke detector has gone off, but there's no human confirmation) but all the alarms go off if there's a problem (the detector has actually found a fire or a human has pressed a 'break glass' alarm.

AFAIK it's quite normal to have alarms in studios, but only for an absolute 'get the hell out of here' type alert
DA
DAS Founding member
And if anyone knows about evacuation procedure, Inspector Sands is the guy!
IS
Inspector Sands
DAS posted:
And if anyone knows about evacuation procedure, Inspector Sands is the guy!


Indeed Laughing
BT
Baroness Trumpington
Inspector Sands posted:
I wouldn't have thought that the line from the TV Theatre would have gone anywhere else but TV centre

Oh yes it did! Broadcasting House Switching Centre for one.
SD
Steve D
DAS posted:
It's very interesting to hear they didn't think of the alarms for the new Broadcast Centre. You'd think it would be one of those first-on-the-list specifications when you spend millions of pounds on new facilities. Clearly not! I'd imagine a slight change in design now they've had that experience!


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