CW
Oh come on. Withdrawing it from use is a mark of respect but removing it from places which hold it to pretend that it never existed is just taking it a bit far don't you think?
And I don't think it's unreasonable to make a new acrobats ident with different dancers. I wouldn't call that disrespectful or wrong in any way - the main reason it's been pulled is probably because it would be very painful for her family to constantly see their dead relative at all manner of BBC1 junctions. I doubt very much that they could care less if someone else appeared in the ident, or if the ident was edited so that she wasn't in shot.
Anyway, I do join others in saying that this is a reason to remove the dancers alltogether - not just because of what has happened, because that would be a patently stupid comment to make. But because the package has overnight been made very much weaker.
The dancers as a whole are fatally flawed in that rather than being introduced through any real necessity, they were rushed in by a channel controller who wanted to make her mark on the channel. Lorraine really couldn't have cared less what replaced the balloons, as long as something did (and ironically, she certainly WILL be remembered as the person who changed BBC1, but for all the wrong reasons). And indeed if the globe idea had allready been ditched before her time, I don't think it's entirely beyond the realms of possibility that she would have reintroduced it in some form.
So what you had, was a perfectly serviceable presentation package with years of life left in it, being replaced by a channel controller who was adamant that *her* presentation MUST look completely different (even to downright fickle changes like moving the ECP credits over to the other side of the screen), and it was all produced by a design house whose output at the time seemed to be going through the graphic designer's equivalent of writer's block.
Not surprisingly, the dancers presentation package is a complete load of claptrap. But, one of the very few (and by god there aren't many) saving graces was that a very small number of the idents do actually look and sound reasonable. Acrobats is one of them. IMO, Ballet and Festival are the other passable ones.
Ballet has been pushed off into the territory of the 'sombre' ident, and so well now be used very sparingly, Acrobats has now been withdrawn, and that just leaves Festival as the one ident which is resonable, and it is now overwhelmed by the increasingly larger range of bad ones.
That's hardly good enough for a modern presentation set. The dancers should never have made it to air in the first place, should have been removed by now, but at this time should definately be put to bed. Withdrawing Acrobats wasn't just withdrawing an ident, it was withdrawing a halfway decent ident from a sea of shockingly bad ones.
cwathen
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So, will this ident stay in TV Home's archives, or be removed?
Oh come on. Withdrawing it from use is a mark of respect but removing it from places which hold it to pretend that it never existed is just taking it a bit far don't you think?
And I don't think it's unreasonable to make a new acrobats ident with different dancers. I wouldn't call that disrespectful or wrong in any way - the main reason it's been pulled is probably because it would be very painful for her family to constantly see their dead relative at all manner of BBC1 junctions. I doubt very much that they could care less if someone else appeared in the ident, or if the ident was edited so that she wasn't in shot.
Anyway, I do join others in saying that this is a reason to remove the dancers alltogether - not just because of what has happened, because that would be a patently stupid comment to make. But because the package has overnight been made very much weaker.
The dancers as a whole are fatally flawed in that rather than being introduced through any real necessity, they were rushed in by a channel controller who wanted to make her mark on the channel. Lorraine really couldn't have cared less what replaced the balloons, as long as something did (and ironically, she certainly WILL be remembered as the person who changed BBC1, but for all the wrong reasons). And indeed if the globe idea had allready been ditched before her time, I don't think it's entirely beyond the realms of possibility that she would have reintroduced it in some form.
So what you had, was a perfectly serviceable presentation package with years of life left in it, being replaced by a channel controller who was adamant that *her* presentation MUST look completely different (even to downright fickle changes like moving the ECP credits over to the other side of the screen), and it was all produced by a design house whose output at the time seemed to be going through the graphic designer's equivalent of writer's block.
Not surprisingly, the dancers presentation package is a complete load of claptrap. But, one of the very few (and by god there aren't many) saving graces was that a very small number of the idents do actually look and sound reasonable. Acrobats is one of them. IMO, Ballet and Festival are the other passable ones.
Ballet has been pushed off into the territory of the 'sombre' ident, and so well now be used very sparingly, Acrobats has now been withdrawn, and that just leaves Festival as the one ident which is resonable, and it is now overwhelmed by the increasingly larger range of bad ones.
That's hardly good enough for a modern presentation set. The dancers should never have made it to air in the first place, should have been removed by now, but at this time should definately be put to bed. Withdrawing Acrobats wasn't just withdrawing an ident, it was withdrawing a halfway decent ident from a sea of shockingly bad ones.