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noggin12,682 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Now that there is effectively a separate version of PSB3 for each ITV sub region, what are the remaining challenges to getting regional BBC 1 HD onto Freeview?

I guess therel has to be mux kit for each region producing PSB 3, so it's just a case of getting a feed of BBC 1 HD with upscaled local news inserted to that kit.

Would that require the regional studios to have a sustaining HD feed or could the regional opt switch (or mixer GPIs like the old system for digital) trigger a router at the coding and mux centre to switch the BBC one HD input to upscaled (regional) BBC One SD?

Or is the main issue BBC politics and that it couldn't be done on satellite yet?


There's nothing difficult technically, just buy more codecs, upgrade distribution and contribution to and from the English regions to HD circuits, buy some upscallers for the ERs that are still SD, and provide all the associated monitoring and 'glue' at the CCM centres. It's just a case of money, THAT's the primary problem !


Yes - and it is very difficult to justify spending money to upgrade BBC One HD to broadcast SD upscaled content (only Plymouth, Salford and London originate in HD)...

It is on the radar in the new charter period - my gut feeling is that it will happen once they decide how they are going to upgrade SD English regional centres to HD, as the approach taken for this could significantly change the distribution and backhaul requirements, and would inform how the opt-out functionality would be implemented. (Particularly if the broadcast studio output signal isn't actually created in the regional centre building...)
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tmorgan96356 posts since 6 Jan 2012
BBC World
Now that there is effectively a separate version of PSB3 for each ITV sub region, what are the remaining challenges to getting regional BBC 1 HD onto Freeview?

I guess therel has to be mux kit for each region producing PSB 3, so it's just a case of getting a feed of BBC 1 HD with upscaled local news inserted to that kit.

Would that require the regional studios to have a sustaining HD feed or could the regional opt switch (or mixer GPIs like the old system for digital) trigger a router at the coding and mux centre to switch the BBC one HD input to upscaled (regional) BBC One SD?

Or is the main issue BBC politics and that it couldn't be done on satellite yet?


There's nothing difficult technically, just buy more codecs, upgrade distribution and contribution to and from the English regions to HD circuits, buy some upscallers for the ERs that are still SD, and provide all the associated monitoring and 'glue' at the CCM centres. It's just a case of money, THAT's the primary problem !


Yes - and it is very difficult to justify spending money to upgrade BBC One HD to broadcast SD upscaled content (only Plymouth, Salford and London originate in HD)...

Yes it is justifiable.

Viewers shouldn't have to change the channel in order to see regional programming. It should be just available on the HD channel, even if it isn't in HD.
Hatton Cross2,478 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Or move One HD on to 1/101/001 and during the regional opts point people towards the SD channel - instead of the other way round as of now.
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Markymark5,037 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
Or move One HD on to 1/101/001 and during the regional opts point people towards the SD channel - instead of the other way round as of now.


Ofcom/DCMS don't consider the HD versions of any PSB channels, to be PSB, so they are not permitted 'high' up on EPGs on HD receivers, unless they carry exactly the same content 24/7 as the SD version.

That's why BBC 1 HD nations are on Freesat (and Sky?) Ch 101, but not BBC 1 HD in England.

That said, plenty of Freeview TVs allow you to edit and move EPG allocations around to whatever you wish.
I've had the main 4 HD channels on EPG 1-4 for five years (and of course C5 HD on 5 too)
Brekkie27,834 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Exactly. They just need to push on with a HD switchover - it's the only way. Obviously they don't want SD and HD simulcasts of all regions running together (on Sky/Freesat) for a long period of time so it'll either have to be a straight switch or a short crossover period of 1-3 months. It could even be done in phases so some regions only switch to HD once other SD regions have had their feed closed.

I do think at the very least though the BBC should aim to match the ITV regions on Freeview (even if they don't tackle Sky). I can't see how anyone could complain about getting BBC London News outside of London rather than a red holding caption.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?