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BBC One HD still can't broadcast regional news in England.

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AlexEdohHD13
Very rare to see the BBC airing an apology in prime time. Just happened a couple of minutes with a statement by the BBC Trust being read by the CA regarding an episode of Watchdog that aired in 2015 which made false claims about Pets at Home.

Is this even relevant to the thread?
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Rex
Do you mean SD BBC One or BBC One HD?

Of course with BBC ONE HD - the local news isn't being broadcast, but with the SD version they're unable to receive it due to poor signal on PSB1.


PSB 1 (home of BBC SD channels and radio) is just as 'receivable' as PSB 3 (where BBC 1,2, ITV, 4 and 5 HD versions live)
In Bournemouth, reception of the Rowridge (Isle of Wight) transmitter is pretty good. You can see it from the beach and cliff tops easily)

I'd suggest a problem with Suzy Q's aerial system

(Not that that will solve the fact that currently BBC 1 HD in England carries no local stuff, and that ITV HD from Rowridge carries the Kent version of Meridian)

I suspected it was an aerial issue. Wording might have been a bit iffy as far as I was concerned
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Markymark

I suspected it was an aerial issue. Wording might have been a bit iffy as far as I was concerned


Fairy-nuff. The point is the three PSBs are all equally easy (or difficult) to receive. All 1054 transmitters carry them, all at equal power, and all (except for a few exceptions) within the legacy (1970s) aerial group.

That's not the case with the COMs, and even less so COM 7 and 8
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Rex

I suspected it was an aerial issue. Wording might have been a bit iffy as far as I was concerned


Fairy-nuff. The point is the three PSBs are all equally easy (or difficult) to receive. All 1054 transmitters carry them, all at equal power, and all (except for a few exceptions) within the legacy (1970s) aerial group.

That's not the case with the COMs, and even less so COM 7 and 8

COM7 and COM8 have also, far less power compared to the other muxes, making it more difficult to receive in some cases. From experience, I'm able to receive COM7 on my main TV, but not COM8. Aerial signal is pretty weak as it is.
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W1LL
Very rare to see the BBC airing an apology in prime time. Just happened a couple of minutes with a statement by the BBC Trust being read by the CA regarding an episode of Watchdog that aired in 2015 which made false claims about Pets at Home.

Is this even relevant to the thread?

Sorry, I misread the title of the thread. Though I fail to see what relevance your passive aggressive remarks have regarding BBC One HD broadcasting regional news either.
sbahnhof 7, Josh and Nicky gave kudos
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AlexEdohHD13
Very rare to see the BBC airing an apology in prime time. Just happened a couple of minutes with a statement by the BBC Trust being read by the CA regarding an episode of Watchdog that aired in 2015 which made false claims about Pets at Home.

Is this even relevant to the thread?

Sorry, I misread the title of the thread. Though I fail to see what relevance your passive aggressive remarks have regarding BBC One HD broadcasting regional news either.

Oh. Sorry about that.
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Steve in Pudsey
Now that there is effectively a separate version of PSB3 for each ITV sub region, what are the remaining challenges to getting regional BBC 1 HD onto Freeview?

I guess therel has to be mux kit for each region producing PSB 3, so it's just a case of getting a feed of BBC 1 HD with upscaled local news inserted to that kit.

Would that require the regional studios to have a sustaining HD feed or could the regional opt switch (or mixer GPIs like the old system for digital) trigger a router at the coding and mux centre to switch the BBC one HD input to upscaled (regional) BBC One SD?

Or is the main issue BBC politics and that it couldn't be done on satellite yet?
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Markymark
Now that there is effectively a separate version of PSB3 for each ITV sub region, what are the remaining challenges to getting regional BBC 1 HD onto Freeview?

I guess therel has to be mux kit for each region producing PSB 3, so it's just a case of getting a feed of BBC 1 HD with upscaled local news inserted to that kit.

Would that require the regional studios to have a sustaining HD feed or could the regional opt switch (or mixer GPIs like the old system for digital) trigger a router at the coding and mux centre to switch the BBC one HD input to upscaled (regional) BBC One SD?

Or is the main issue BBC politics and that it couldn't be done on satellite yet?


There's nothing difficult technically, just buy more codecs, upgrade distribution and contribution to and from the English regions to HD circuits, buy some upscallers for the ERs that are still SD, and provide all the associated monitoring and 'glue' at the CCM centres. It's just a case of money, THAT's the primary problem !
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deejay
But there is also the satellite issue. That was a stumbling block in getting all the regions on DSat when they'd been on DTT for some time. At first only five regions had their 1830 opts available via the red button. It was a bit of an experiment and then, slightly out of the blue as I recall, the DG (Greg Dyke?) announced that all regions and sub regions would be on dsat. Cue sharp intake of breath.

Under DQF, the BBC actually looked at taking sub regions off DSat to save transponder space, leaving them DTT only. That's gone a bit quiet I think, but if they're willing to think about ditching commitment to some SD regions on satellite I can't see them upgrading all of them to HD even if it's just an upscale of the output.
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Markymark
But there is also the satellite issue. That was a stumbling block in getting all the regions on DSat when they'd been on DTT for some time. At first only five regions had their 1830 opts available via the red button. It was a bit of an experiment and then, slightly out of the blue as I recall, the DG (Greg Dyke?) announced that all regions and sub regions would be on dsat. Cue sharp intake of breath.

Under DQF, the BBC actually looked at taking sub regions off DSat to save transponder space, leaving them DTT only. That's gone a bit quiet I think, but if they're willing to think about ditching commitment to some SD regions on satellite I can't see them upgrading all of them to HD even if it's just an upscale of the output.


At the end of the day (assuming enough transponder space is actually available) the satellite issue only comes down to money again ?
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Steve in Pudsey
Oh yeah, the whole thing is fixable if money can be thrown at it. I was just wondering whether ITV had done the groundwork​ to make adding an upscale of regional opts affordable now there are separate coders for each region.

Not particularly because of a need for regional news to be in HD, just that it would get rid of the red screen scenario.
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Markymark
Oh yeah, the whole thing is fixable if money can be thrown at it. I was just wondering whether ITV had done the groundwork​ to make adding an upscale of regional opts affordable now there are separate coders for each region.

Not particularly because of a need for regional news to be in HD, just that it would get rid of the red screen scenario.


There are certainly economies to be gained by ITV's more regional use of PSB 3, but as pointed out up thread, in the near future ITV may well not be sharing PSB 3 with the Beeb, and having to make their own arrangments. That will have costing implications for both broadcasters

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