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Inspector Sands14,536 posts since 25 Aug 2004

That continued well into the 00s, as I remember the London newsroom making separate, bespoke, teatime national news bulletins for Scotland, when their schedules didn't accommodate the main teatime news.

They still do occasionally produce a seperate bulletin for Scotland, most commonly on New Year's Eve
deejay2,976 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Central (South) Oxford
Grandstand used to have a regional opt spot for local results at one time I believe. That got spun off into a standalone news and support bulletin.

There was a regional opt for Rugby Union in the West, South West and Midlands regions in 2005

https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/bbc-west-opt-grandstand-14007/


Blimey - and there I am - seemingly causing a massive argument about the difference between Opting In and Opting Out ... I have been here a long time haven't I ?!

I was wondering if anyone else remembered that Grandstand opt. AFAIK it was a very rare event and I'm not sure it's ever happened since.
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Steve Williams3,021 posts since 1 Aug 2008
I can't think of any occasions when an English region opted out of Grandstand - maybe Rugby League in the Leeds area may have been the one exception, although the staffing would have had to have come from Manchester OBs.


I've got a couple of Radio Times from the late eighties where Great Britain, as was, were playing Australia in rugby league, in Australia, at about 6am, and it was only shown live in the Northern regions, the others not opening up at all. There were highlights nationwide later in the day. Of course, the Northern regions still do opt out for rugby league now.

Grandstand used to have a regional opt spot for local results at one time I believe. That got spun off into a standalone news and support bulletin.

There was a regional opt for Rugby Union in the West, South West and Midlands regions in 2005

https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/bbc-west-opt-grandstand-14007/


This isn't the same, but I do remember in 2001, they were going to show an Edinburgh vs Ulster rugby match on Grandstand, and it was billed in all the TV guides, but then on the show itself they had to apologise because for contractual reasons they realised they could actually only show it in Scotland and Northern Ireland. They did show it in those nations and the network Grandstand cobbled together some replacement sport.

The local sports round-ups were after Grandstand and were what is now the Saturday teatime news, but in those days were pretty much 90% sport with just a brief round-up of news, if that. Of course, in those days the South East didn't have any regional programmes so Grandstand would come back in that region for another five minutes, billed as Today's Sport, which although it was only been shown in the South East wasn't specifically locally orientated (presumably it was handy in case any other region couldn't opt out). Des Lynam said that, despite it only lasting five minutes, it was a hundred times more complicated to do than the five-hour Grandstand they'd just done because it was just a relentless procession of graphics and photos, the presenter trying to time the script to match with it all, to the extent Des refused to do it eventually.
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RDJ2,912 posts since 25 Oct 2003
Central (South) Midlands Today
An interesting case here of an opt-out by BBC Look North NE & Cumbria in 2004.

They decide to interrupt the late film to provide coverage of a local referendum with a still ident and crash back into the film at the end.



I imagine nowadays regions would never be allowed to do such a thing without prior permission, even if they had the technical capability to do so.
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Markymark7,832 posts since 13 Dec 2004 Recently warned
Meridian (North) South Today
I'm not sure they crashed back into the film, looks like they went back to the part they left it from.


Can't tell, because the clip doesn't show us the crash out. Did Newcastle have Profile servers back then, ( I think Southampton did), so it would have been quite easy to 'live delay' the film.

My jaw hit the ground in the USA when I saw a 15 minute newsflash for a shuttle launch, and just crashed back into a movie that had been left running. That was one of the three main networks, can't remember which one
Markymark7,832 posts since 13 Dec 2004 Recently warned
Meridian (North) South Today
I'm not sure they crashed back into the film, looks like they went back to the part they left it from.


Can't tell, because the clip doesn't show us the crash out.

Are you sure? It's only brief but at 1:28 I thought it showed them crashing out the film, looks like the same scene to me.


Ah, I only watched the beginning and end of the You Tube clip, yes you're right I think?!
cityprod2,073 posts since 3 Oct 2005
Westcountry Spotlight
I know in the Grandstand days, the nations often opted out, and showed their own versions, such as during the five nations, when both games each weekend were played almost simultaneously. So, while England v Wales was networked, us in Scotland got Scotland v France, and then highlights afterwards, with our own pres. Did the English regions ever opt out on Grandstand, if there was a major sporting event in their region that they wished to cover?


Not quite in our region but BBC South West did opt-out of Grandstand in 1991 for the Rugby County Championship Final at Twickenham between Cornwall and Yorkshire. There's footage here from about 3 minutes in, Chris Rogers hosting the coverage.

gerryuk41 posts since 10 Feb 2005

That was kind of my point. Before all of the mergers each ITV company had its own OB facilities so could mount this kind of thing easily enough. If the competition aren't doing it there is less of a "keeping up with Central/Granada/Yorkshire" reason to do it.


Though to be fair only the BBC English network centres in Bristol, Birmingham and Manchester had OB facilities based on-site, Southampton, Norwich, Plymouth, Newcastle and Leeds were all just equipped for news studios, with minimal terrestrial microwave links facilities (short-notice, multicamera OBs would have been a stretch until the 90s)

Bristol and Birmingham then lost their OB facilities - leaving just Manchester - though the English regions gained SNG facilities which often included basic 2-3 ENG camera OB facilities (but not triax/SMPTE system cameras)


Could be wrong, but facilities like OB units and other technical facilities, although based in Manchester were for the North and could be used by Leeds and Newcastle and were not exclusive to Manchester?
commseng388 posts since 8 Dec 2016
London London
I'm not sure they crashed back into the film, looks like they went back to the part they left it from.


Can't tell, because the clip doesn't show us the crash out. Did Newcastle have Profile servers back then, ( I think Southampton did), so it would have been quite easy to 'live delay' the film.

My jaw hit the ground in the USA when I saw a 15 minute newsflash for a shuttle launch, and just crashed back into a movie that had been left running. That was one of the three main networks, can't remember which one

I had a similar experience covering Yacht racing in San Francisco Bay in 2013. The early rounds were only to be aired on COZI TV - which is a digital sister station to NBC.
It turned out it was a Bay Area only opt out. However as we got around to on air time, a film had started only 15 minutes earlier, and was in full flow. Bang on time a matrix switch was done with no con announcements or indeed anything at all, and our opening titles hit the air. Amazement all round from us Brits working there.
At the end, the same in reverse. Our closer finished, and bang, there was the last 20 minutes of the film that had been going out across the rest of the USA.
This is NBC, not exactly a tin pot operation!
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