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Steve in Pudsey10,556 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Overlaying astons on programmes I would imagine would be as far as they could go.

Indeed Midlands Today did this in front of The One Show 3 years ago as has been mentioned a few times on here:

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That wasn't possible (officially) during the analogue and digital dual running period when the mixer cutting away from network triggered the digital opt switch. There were workarounds but they put the PAL 14:9 version out on digital platforms.
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Steve in Pudsey10,556 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I have vague memories of a 'behind the scenes' type programme ['A Day In The Life Of Television' possibly - can anyone verify?] which featured a discussion amongst BBC 1 management as to whether to allow BBC Midlands to opt out of the evening schedule to air a regional version of Crimewatch. I appreciate this wasn't recent, but IIRC the request was very quickly rejected.

Rejected because they wanted to drop Panorama I think?
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Steve in Pudsey10,556 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)


BBC 1 Midlands opted out with our quickly assembled OB, and we were parked up next to a Central TV truck in middle of the happy mayhem.
I can't imagine that being able to opt out of network on a Sunday afternoon for a few hours would even be possible today based on the comments here? Certainly not for anything like a football victory parade - although a team in the Midlands doing well does require celebration as it is such a rare event!


I suspect the fact that ITV regions wouldn't do it either now is a large factor in why BBC regions wouldn't.

Especially for something like a football victory parade, you can bet fans of the other clubs on the patch would prefer whatever was billed and will be vocal in complaining!

Look North did a special when the Tour de France was here but that was scheduled well in advance and replaced a network repeat.
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Spencer (previously Spencer For Hire) 6,064 posts since 13 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I have vague memories of a 'behind the scenes' type programme ['A Day In The Life Of Television' possibly - can anyone verify?] which featured a discussion amongst BBC 1 management as to whether to allow BBC Midlands to opt out of the evening schedule to air a regional version of Crimewatch. I appreciate this wasn't recent, but IIRC the request was very quickly rejected.

Rejected because they wanted to drop Panorama I think?


That certainly rings a bell.
Markymark7,560 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today


BBC 1 Midlands opted out with our quickly assembled OB, and we were parked up next to a Central TV truck in middle of the happy mayhem.
I can't imagine that being able to opt out of network on a Sunday afternoon for a few hours would even be possible today based on the comments here? Certainly not for anything like a football victory parade - although a team in the Midlands doing well does require celebration as it is such a rare event!


I suspect the fact that ITV regions wouldn't do it either now is a large factor in why BBC regions wouldn't.


Partly, though I doubt any ITV 'region' today has the resources to produce such a thing anyway. They'd probably have to have an OB provider on 'a retainer' and one that is reasonably local. The BBC would struggle for the same reasons, the only exception might be to have one of the BBC 'nations' OBs on standby for them, but I bet these days it's different cost centres and all that.....?
robertclark1251,462 posts since 13 Jan 2009
STV Central Reporting Scotland
I know in the Grandstand days, the nations often opted out, and showed their own versions, such as during the five nations, when both games each weekend were played almost simultaneously. So, while England v Wales was networked, us in Scotland got Scotland v France, and then highlights afterwards, with our own pres. Did the English regions ever opt out on Grandstand, if there was a major sporting event in their region that they wished to cover?
commseng327 posts since 8 Dec 2016
London London


BBC 1 Midlands opted out with our quickly assembled OB, and we were parked up next to a Central TV truck in middle of the happy mayhem.
I can't imagine that being able to opt out of network on a Sunday afternoon for a few hours would even be possible today based on the comments here? Certainly not for anything like a football victory parade - although a team in the Midlands doing well does require celebration as it is such a rare event!


I suspect the fact that ITV regions wouldn't do it either now is a large factor in why BBC regions wouldn't.


Partly, though I doubt any ITV 'region' today has the resources to produce such a thing anyway. They'd probably have to have an OB provider on 'a retainer' and one that is reasonably local. The BBC would struggle for the same reasons, the only exception might be to have one of the BBC 'nations' OBs on standby for them, but I bet these days it's different cost centres and all that.....?

One of the reasons it may have happened at the time was Pebble Mill was a Network Production Centre, and therefore had its own OB crews. Possibly as we were all paid with a weekly timesheet, the rest of that week was quiet (likely with the OB action at Wembley for the weekend staffed by London Tel OBs) - and so it was cheap to do?

Facilities were owned by the BBC, crew wouldn't be into overtime, so the cost was just the diesel to Coventry (and Bardon Hill for the midpoint!).
Facilities in the Midlands are now sadly very much diminished for broadcasting, whether BBC, ITV or ILR.
noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I know in the Grandstand days, the nations often opted out, and showed their own versions, such as during the five nations, when both games each weekend were played almost simultaneously. So, while England v Wales was networked, us in Scotland got Scotland v France, and then highlights afterwards, with our own pres. Did the English regions ever opt out on Grandstand, if there was a major sporting event in their region that they wished to cover?


That continued well into the 00s, as I remember the London newsroom making separate, bespoke, teatime national news bulletins for Scotland, when their schedules didn't accommodate the main teatime news.
commseng327 posts since 8 Dec 2016
London London
I know in the Grandstand days, the nations often opted out, and showed their own versions, such as during the five nations, when both games each weekend were played almost simultaneously. So, while England v Wales was networked, us in Scotland got Scotland v France, and then highlights afterwards, with our own pres. Did the English regions ever opt out on Grandstand, if there was a major sporting event in their region that they wished to cover?

I can't think of any occasions when an English region opted out of Grandstand - maybe Rugby League in the Leeds area may have been the one exception, although the staffing would have had to have come from Manchester OBs.
Steve in Pudsey10,556 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)


BBC 1 Midlands opted out with our quickly assembled OB, and we were parked up next to a Central TV truck in middle of the happy mayhem.
I can't imagine that being able to opt out of network on a Sunday afternoon for a few hours would even be possible today based on the comments here? Certainly not for anything like a football victory parade - although a team in the Midlands doing well does require celebration as it is such a rare event!


I suspect the fact that ITV regions wouldn't do it either now is a large factor in why BBC regions wouldn't.


Partly, though I doubt any ITV 'region' today has the resources to produce such a thing anyway. They'd probably have to have an OB provider on 'a retainer' and one that is reasonably local. The BBC would struggle for the same reasons, the only exception might be to have one of the BBC 'nations' OBs on standby for them, but I bet these days it's different cost centres and all that.....?

That was kind of my point. Before all of the mergers each ITV company had its own OB facilities so could mount this kind of thing easily enough. If the competition aren't doing it there is less of a "keeping up with Central/Granada/Yorkshire" reason to do it.
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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001

That was kind of my point. Before all of the mergers each ITV company had its own OB facilities so could mount this kind of thing easily enough. If the competition aren't doing it there is less of a "keeping up with Central/Granada/Yorkshire" reason to do it.


Though to be fair only the BBC English network centres in Bristol, Birmingham and Manchester had OB facilities based on-site, Southampton, Norwich, Plymouth, Newcastle and Leeds were all just equipped for news studios, with minimal terrestrial microwave links facilities (short-notice, multicamera OBs would have been a stretch until the 90s)

Bristol and Birmingham then lost their OB facilities - leaving just Manchester - though the English regions gained SNG facilities which often included basic 2-3 ENG camera OB facilities (but not triax/SMPTE system cameras)
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