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Testing Now (June 2003)

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Nick Harvey Founding member West Country (East) Points West
Larry Scutta posted:
Dan posted:

Wales - 3 million. The difference between these two figures is what makes London both a good and a bad place to live. Laughing


That's 3 million sheep, how many people!? Laughing


Must be 5,999,998 green wellies and James!
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dotdotuk Founding member
I have been on holiday for the past week and to be honest I am not going to trawl through 44 pages on this topic to see if anyone has mentioned this already Rolling Eyes

I set my digibox to record a program on ch 101. By the time and day it started the EPG change had taken place and the box ( very cleverly I thought ) adjusted the recording to ch 944 - assuming no doubt that as 101 was previously BBC1 London that was the region I wanted.

As it happened it was national programme I was taping so it did not matter.

All the best,

Henry
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InTune Founding member
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I know what you're getting at, I left that out because I didn't want to overcomplicate it, but as we're being pedantic aren't the cameras vision mixed in Hull and the plasma screens? Otherwise multiple lines to Leeds would be needed.


The cameras, all two of them, are vision mixed from Leeds too, its all digital aswell. Nothing is played off tape.
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A former member Anglia (East) Look East
Nick Harvey posted:
Larry Scutta posted:
Dan posted:

Wales - 3 million. The difference between these two figures is what makes London both a good and a bad place to live. Laughing


That's 3 million sheep, how many people!? Laughing


Must be 5,999,998 green wellies and James!


It's only me living in the west. Everyone else, including my family commute from north Devon via the 5am fishing ship 'The Minky Winky'. Laughing

25 days later

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TVDragon
Slightly off topic from the minky winky, I thought I'd say I like little bumper thingyos between trails on BBC ONE NI -- like everywhere used to use to during the balloons era. The Portmeirion and Edinburgh ones spring to mind.

Little two second snippets of the idents, quite near the end with a bit of the soundtrack.
I've not seen them on BBC Wales. Couple of examples, for what it's worth ~
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Admittedly the 'rhythm and movement people', if you please, are still a shocking package to work with, but the little thingyos cheer up the place when you get six or seven trails in a row, which is getting more common.

With the extra stuff on BBC TWO NI too, why does it seem that only the Northern Irish have any imagination?

55 days later

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This Is Granada UTV
Sorry to bring this topic up again but it's BBC ONE thatís getting on My nerves on Digital Satellite.

Why is it that on all the english regions of BBC One (Excluding London cos we all know thatís BBC ONE England......or whatever) is there a broken white line at the top of the picture. As I watch in 16:9 letterbox, I am distracted by it. This is what the BBC Website says about it.

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I'm watching a widescreen broadcast on my 4:3 TV and I can see a broken white line at the top of the screen, why is this?

Some viewers with digital satellite receivers set to display widescreen (letter box) on a 4/3 television may notice a broken white line across the top of the picture. This only occurs when viewing the newly available BBC One local regions but not BBC London. We are aware of this issue and initial investigations show this may be receiver related. We are investigating our options, but currently we are unable to initiate a solution to correct this problem on the picture.


And this is their pic, but the line does not move when I'm watching the regions.
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I donít understand why they say its receiver related. You get this line on ITV1 when they freeze a screen at the end of ad's or trailers.

Is anyone else sick of this? Does it happen on all digibox or is it just some?
DV
dvboy Central (West) Midlands Today
Nope I see it on bloody analogue all the feckin time. I figured it was bad dubbing. Often see it on news programmes on recycled bits of footage.
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Adamski
I'd noticed the white lines on things quite a lot and had always assumed it was part of the video that wouldn't normally be seen so it contained technical information. I have absolutely no basis for this assumption though hehe! Does any with technical knowledge know?
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Katherine Founding member
I can obviously say I haven't noticed this white line at all....
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Corin
BBC Engineering knows about this problem and is not doing anything to eliminate the artefact.

From <http://www.bbc.co.UK/reception/dsatanswers.shtml#white_line>

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I'm watching a widescreen broadcast on my 4:3 TV and I can see a broken white line at the top of the screen, why is this?

Some viewers with digital satellite receivers set to display widescreen (letter box) on a 4/3 television may notice a broken white line across the top of the picture. This only occurs when viewing the newly available BBC One local regions but not BBC London. We are aware of this issue and initial investigations show this may be receiver related. We are investigating our options, but currently we are unable to initiate a solution to correct this problem on the picture.


Obviously it is a method of encouraging viewers to replace their 4:3 TV with a 16:9 widescreen TV.
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I've noticed this on News24 from the temporary CSO
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noggin Founding member
The twinkling dots - the ones which are only on half of the top line - are called "Line 23 Widescreen Signalling" They are present on the BBC One English regions (not including BBC One London) as a result of the way the satellite feeds are ARCed to 4:3 / ARC bypassed for 16:9 in the regional centres. Hopefully the software running on the kit that does this will be upgraded in due course - it is a feature/bug...

The stuff you see on the network news and other programmes on analogue is a result of other bits of kit having WSS in the video. Because line 23 is actually part of the broadcast signal it shouldn't really be blanked...

As for Hull being "all digital"... As I understand it it isn't... They ARE playing the inserts off a digital server - but these inserts are still being edited on analogue tape, and I believe that the gallery in Leeds is also still analogue.

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