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BBC One after DSO

(December 2008)

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AN
Andrew Founding member
I can see children's programmes going off BBC1 and 2 at the first chance that they will be able to get away with it, they've already reduced a lot with for example, no extra programming during the Christmas holidays.

I expect the BBC News Channel will stop being simulcast overnight. They'll just stick an extra late film on or something pushing back the Sign Zone so it almost fills the gap until morning

Fixed bulletins will definally stay on BBC1
BR
Brekkie
deejay posted:
Channel 4 always used to be (still are?) a bit annoying with their signed programmes, putting signing on Hollyoaks Omnibus on a Sunday for example. Presumably this scores quite a lot of percentage points towards their target, but I find it somewhat annoying if I'm trying to catch up.


I agree, especially as the signer obscures much of the picture. Ideally of course broadcasters would be able to offer a signed simulcast, but until they can I think a bit of common sense needs to be applied so quotas are met over a channel portfolio, not on the specific channel - so using the Hollyoaks omnibus as an example it would be better (for the non-deaf viewer at least) if it was the E4 airing which was signed, not the T4 omnibus.
DV
DVB Cornwall
If only the mid 1990's animated signer tests got to fruition it could all be done on a chip and the code sent in the digital signal. It could, like subtitles, be switched on as required.
JO
Joe
DVB Cornwall posted:
the stillborn linear 'choices'

You've made that mistake before haven't you?

'Choices' is what the BBC has called the On Demand services on its Internet blog.

'Voices' already exists, it is just schedules and so on, linear TV, therefore it cannot be introduced post DSO for it already exists.
NW
nwtv2003
Andrew posted:
I can see children's programmes going off BBC1 and 2 at the first chance that they will be able to get away with it, they've already reduced a lot with for example, no extra programming during the Christmas holidays.


Somehow I can see that happening aswell, considering there's very little now, even on Sunday mornings when it used to dominate the BBC Two schedule. The channels themselves are rather established but they do often need a leg up from time to time with programmes being on BBC One and Two. It wouldn't surprise me if they did an ITV and stick the programmes on for just an hour a day, it's heading that way. The BBC will probably argue at some point that they'd need to compete with ITV in the afternoon ratings, even though they have BBC Two.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC Three/Four style downtime captions come to BBC One or Two, as Ceefax will be non-existant and the declining reliance on the News Channel as a filler.

I suppose time will tell really, maybe nothing will change, most households are Digital already, it's not as if it's the minority now.
MD
mdtauk
The news bulletins will remain, as there is no room on a 24 hour channel for in depth roundups of the day's news.
TI
This Is Granada
After DSO, BBC One and Two will have a dity big dog at the top of the screen - FACT!

(so will ITV1 and Channel 4)

The age old escuse - "In this multi-channel environment, viewers need to be able to identify they are watching BBC One"
NG
noggin Founding member
DVB Cornwall posted:
If only the mid 1990's animated signer tests got to fruition it could all be done on a chip and the code sent in the digital signal. It could, like subtitles, be switched on as required.


Weren't they fundamentally flawed as they used SSE (Simple Signed English) rather than BSL (British Sign Language)? ISTR that the avatar signing couldn't do proper facial gestures - which are a requirement for BSL?

SSE is not a natural language for much of the UK deaf community - you have to use BSL (which is a totally independent language to English)

The other problem with overlay signing is that you have to process the background programme - shrink it etc. All doable - but quite a complex app to right.
NG
noggin Founding member
deejay posted:
AIUI, increased 'accessibility' (i.e. signing, subtitles and audio description) for TV pogrammes isn't a PSB commitment, it's an OFCOM / governmental requirement. In fact, I think it's not too long before 100% of programmes have to be subtitled. The quota of required signed and audio-described programmes, which I think only applies to digital streams but I might be wrong on that, is lower, but is increasing. Certainly AD is a digital-only thing even though it would be possible on analogue via the dual-mono NICAM transmission method. AFAIK however, dual-mono NICAM has never been used in the UK.

Signed programmes tend to shown be at the weekends on CBBC and CBeebies (at least that's whenever I've seen them). News24 is signed at various points during the day, for example during the One o'clock News, when it's non-signed on BBC One. Channel 4 always used to be (still are?) a bit annoying with their signed programmes, putting signing on Hollyoaks Omnibus on a Sunday for example. Presumably this scores quite a lot of percentage points towards their target, but I find it somewhat annoying if I'm trying to catch up.

Anyway, going back to the OT, I can't see BBC One changing too drastically post DSO. So long as it remains one of the most popular channels in the UK with a wide remit, it'll keep its multi-genre, reactive schedules, and probably it's news programmes and therefore, it's regionality. As long as there are more than just regional news programmes on the BBC, moving all regional streams to the News Channel makes little sense. Inside Out might just fit on the NC, but regional specials certainly wouldn't (Nature of Britain for example). The national opts in Scotland, Wales and NI would have to remain BBC One streams, so we may as well keep English streams too.


Believe both signing and AD percentages are based on audience reach (or share?) - so minority channels with smaller audiences have lower quotas.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Jugalug posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
the stillborn linear 'choices'

You've made that mistake before haven't you?

'Choices' is what the BBC has called the On Demand services on its Internet blog.

'Voices' already exists, it is just schedules and so on, linear TV, therefore it cannot be introduced post DSO for it already exists.


No mistake, there was a plan to rerun choices material linearly on the voices overnight using 301 and 302 as additional resources. I presume the selection of available programmes would be done online and the top choices replayed for PVRing.

Nothings been said about the proposal for over two years so I presume the iPlayer has superceeded it. Hence the term stillborn.
CH
Chie
What they really need after the switchover is a BBC Sport channel. Then we won't have to put up with the snooker, Wimbledon and darts interupting the schedules all the time. Same with the hours and hours of football and horse racing they show every Saturday.

Incidentally, I've just looked at the schedule and there's a whole three and a half hours of 'World Darts' on BBC One this Saturday afternoon Rolling Eyes Is that really necessary?!
BR
Brekkie
Chie posted:
What they really need after the switchover is a BBC Sport channel. Then we won't have to put up with the snooker, Wimbledon and darts interupting the schedules all the time. Same with the hours and hours of football and horse racing they show every Saturday.


It interrupts the schedule no more than EastEnders or Casualty does. Why can't people understand that sport is part of the schedule, even if the event is only scheduled once every four years.

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