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Yes they would, on the automation the source for the subtitles for TOS would have been a live one, and when that 'event' ends so do the live subtitles.


The One Show would have had an off time to which they should have been working to, but it was guest Peter Gibbs doing the last item and I doubt he'd have been on talkback and therefore not aware of the countdown to the end of the show (although of course weather reporters normally have to talk to time). There's only so long that can stretch, the Network Director can of course hold the automation from moving on but with a regular programme that does it every day I'd have thought that they wouldn't be prepared for an overrun.

NC1 (BBC1 playout) won't be able to be as autonomous as they once could, the nations aren't so much of a problem (they've always had to consider them) but if there is a seperate HD playout then I'd have thought that holding on an overrunning programme would be problematic - although I'm trying to think what would have happened 10 years ago when there were separate analogue and digital directors.

And of course there's also the factor that it's not the BBC playing out the channel any more so there is less flexibility. They have to hit the fixed event at 10pm and so holding until The One Show has finished means dropping something later on. I'm not sure how much flexibility Red Bee has in dropping trails to get back on time - although they would have had 2 and a half hours to work something out

This causes a problem for regional news subtitles too, especially the Breakfast or 8pm bulletins where they tend to talk right up to the end of the opt and don't have a closing sequence. As soon as the regional opt finishes the subtitles finish. As live subtitles are at best a second or two behind the audio, this means that not only are the last few words from the regional presenter cut off, they are replaced by the last few words from the London presenter on the sustaining feed. You will often see subtitles that say something like "Join us at 13:30 for all the news from London" whatever region you are in.

Anyway, The One Show is now on iPlayer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/wf74l/?t=27m37s. The SD version is an off air recording so cuts out in the same place as the broadcast version, you can also see presentation jump in at the end. The HD version is complete and features the full closing.

I'd still like to know what BBC One variants other than London/England did last night. Did they all end so abruptly?

If I remember rightly, one was the master network and the other was the slave - in other words, decisions about overruns, trail cancellations etc were made in Analogue BBC One, and Digital had to play catch up (or vice-versa). As time went on and the digital automation became more stable, Digital became the master network more of the time and eventually, the analogue area was staffed only in peak. The analogue area still existed at the turn of the milennium but didn't last much longer as I recall. When the broadcast centre originally opened, there was a facility to allow split junctions on digital and analogue versions of the BBC Channels as it was deemed necessary to market digital channels in different ways (as cross-promos on digital and more-or-less as an attractive advert on analogue) but this didn't last very long, possibly even less than a year.

As I understand it, there isn't a separate HD control room for BBC 1 - just one control room doing both. There can be separate junctions and as we've seen during regional news opts, they obviously can put the sustaining news feed out on the SD network while a slide and barker appears on HD.

Pebble Mill, when viewed from Pebble Mill road made a unique shape that could be identified easily. The design was unique in that they put the studios at the front, you you knew what was going on inside, and admin was plonked at the back.

I wouldn't be able to identify a photo of Pebble Mill from a stack of similaraly aged buildings.

I would be able to identify a photo of The Forum in Norwich (home of BBC East) from a stack of similaraly aged buildings, and I imagine most people in East Anglia would, due to it's prominance in the Look East titles, so saying nothing unique is around any more is a bit of an exageration.

I can also think of numerous BBC local centres with their radio studios on full view to the public, with the admin stuff stuck behind.

On BBC One South East just after BBC South East Today finished we got a quick glimpse of the BBC News Channel. Where would that be coming from? Was it BBC South East putting it to air or is the BBC News Channel now the BBC One sustaining feed between 18:30 and [just before] 19:00? I thought it was still BBC London.

In other news, The One Show have moved on to their Christmas titles. At the start of the show, a camera went down as Kylie Minogue was walking in to the studio and so we were treated to the feed from another camera for what seemed like ages.

The Christmas 2010 Films trailer just aired before EastEnders

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Oh I like this!! ST can you put this in the Christmas TV thread on Gallifrey Base as well please?

Hmm..
A circle of red fairylight lit houses..
I think I may have spotted the theme of the ident this year....

Wow, you can really see the difference in quality between SD and HD there.

Yes, the sustaining feed during the 1, 6 and 10 regional opts is now News 24. During Breakfast and 3pm opts it's still BBC London. This has changed quite recently and was partly because of a few highish profile failures where London was shown in Scotland and the Midlands and people haven't understood why (I gather a Scottish Newspaper made quite a big thing of it). This is despite the fact that London (and South East in the past) has been the sustaining feed for donkeys years. As has been mentioned before, it's still possible, given some notice, to arrange for a more appropriate neighbouring region to be shown, but if there's a technical opting failure, it's been decided it's better to stick with the news channel than inexplicably seeing London.

Anyway, it seems that BBC South East might have been a bit trigger happy cutting back to the network!

The good old days of BBC Nottingham and Pebble Mill bailing each other out, last time this happened was in the strike earlier this year and then 2004.