Timing announcements properly in a live situation is what we're paid to do. No need for recording!
I appreciate that - would I be correct in saying that the BBC Wales announcers, then, are cutting the sound from their microphone and re-instating it at *precisely* the moments that the "interruption" of the ident starts and ends, or is it more complicated than that? Either way, I'm in awe of what they're doing!!
No, you were right the first time. It would be impossible to time it that accurately because you don't want the voice to crash the FX, and you want the pick-up to happen immediately afterwards with no gap. Also, to get the 'interference' effect to look and sound right you can't fade out, you need the v/o to cut immediately, and also there's a need to place the FX at a point in the v/o where nothing of crucial importance will be lost, but you don't just want to pause and then continue the sentence afterwards, as that rather kills the effect anyway - it has to cut in over a continuous sentence.
The voice-overs are recorded about 15 mins before the jucntion (so you have a final script to hand and know the duration of the slot it's got to fit) and the whole thing is bolted together in Final Cut Pro and FTPd back to the transmission servers in time for the junction.
There'll be a few more placings up to and including Monday evening.
You can always rely on BBC Wales to make an effort with presentation - far more creative than network!
Yes, but then Network are busy doing other things with less time to record things before hand.
By 'like this' do you mean using the cheapo wipe? Or do you mean English regional idents?
If you're asking about the wipe, yes, the latest set of BBC One idents sent to the regions (and nations I think) dispensed with the official transition for the region name. Whether this was an oversight on Red Bee's part I don't know but the nations asked for it to be done again properly (or did it themselves from the clean versions supplied).
If you're asking about the English regional idents, they're used ahead of weekday 1, 6 and 10 o'clock News sequences, on Sundays before the Politics Show and for Inside Out. The occasional special also gets introduced with regional ident and, when regions can be bothered, you might find one cropping up between the 6 or 10 and before the regional news, especially if the national programme is ending with a montage or special sequence that doesn't include the usual throw to the regions.
The Superleague Show is introduced with a non-regional branded ident as it goes out across several Northern regions. Breakfast, weekend and Bank Holiday bulletins are also not preceeded with regional idents; they just end the national segments with throws to the regions.
Timing announcements properly in a live situation is what we're paid to do. No need for recording!
I appreciate that - would I be correct in saying that the BBC Wales announcers, then, are cutting the sound from their microphone and re-instating it at *precisely* the moments that the "interruption" of the ident starts and ends, or is it more complicated than that? Either way, I'm in awe of what they're doing!!
No, you were right the first time. It would be impossible to time it that accurately because you don't want the voice to crash the FX, and you want the pick-up to happen immediately afterwards with no gap. Also, to get the 'interference' effect to look and sound right you can't fade out, you need the v/o to cut immediately, and also there's a need to place the FX at a point in the v/o where nothing of crucial importance will be lost, but you don't just want to pause and then continue the sentence afterwards, as that rather kills the effect anyway - it has to cut in over a continuous sentence.
The voice-overs are recorded about 15 mins before the jucntion (so you have a final script to hand and know the duration of the slot it's got to fit) and the whole thing is bolted together in Final Cut Pro and FTPd back to the transmission servers in time for the junction.
There'll be a few more placings up to and including Monday evening.
You can always rely on BBC Wales to make an effort with presentation - far more creative than network!
Yes, but then Network are busy doing other things with less time to record things before hand.
Like what? From the little I know the region announcers (Wales, Scotland and NI) have to multi task - network write the scripts - I don't think they plan promos or junctions - could be wrong.
If they have little time to record stuff what about the overnights and some dayparts? I can't imagine network announcers starting the late shift live just after 3pm and still being live 12 hours later.
Was this a Marketing idea, or did it spring from the Pres dept? Either way, Very nicely made... 10 out of 10!
A bit of both really. Ideas were batted around between the two, and marketing came up with the finished article and handed them to pres to see what we could do with them! I think they've been quite successful, although perhaps a bit subtle for some viewers.
I think some of them were too subtle: specifically, the ones which just go "we are coming". Even as a Torchwood fan, who was told what they were saying, it still was tricky to make out. I wonder just how they've gone down with people who are less enthusiastic than me, and don't recognise the Torchwood font.
However, they've been put together very well, and I can't fault that.
Timing announcements properly in a live situation is what we're paid to do. No need for recording!
I appreciate that - would I be correct in saying that the BBC Wales announcers, then, are cutting the sound from their microphone and re-instating it at *precisely* the moments that the "interruption" of the ident starts and ends, or is it more complicated than that? Either way, I'm in awe of what they're doing!!
No, you were right the first time. It would be impossible to time it that accurately because you don't want the voice to crash the FX, and you want the pick-up to happen immediately afterwards with no gap. Also, to get the 'interference' effect to look and sound right you can't fade out, you need the v/o to cut immediately, and also there's a need to place the FX at a point in the v/o where nothing of crucial importance will be lost, but you don't just want to pause and then continue the sentence afterwards, as that rather kills the effect anyway - it has to cut in over a continuous sentence.
The voice-overs are recorded about 15 mins before the jucntion (so you have a final script to hand and know the duration of the slot it's got to fit) and the whole thing is bolted together in Final Cut Pro and FTPd back to the transmission servers in time for the junction.
There'll be a few more placings up to and including Monday evening.
You can always rely on BBC Wales to make an effort with presentation - far more creative than network!
Yes, but then Network are busy doing other things with less time to record things before hand.
Like what? From the little I know the region announcers (Wales, Scotland and NI) have to multi task - network write the scripts - I don't think they plan promos or junctions - could be wrong.
If they have little time to record stuff what about the overnights and some dayparts? I can't imagine network announcers starting the late shift live just after 3pm and still being live 12 hours later.
For a start network is obviuously a different setup in terms of having an announcer and director. There is no access to a package like Cool edit to make Idents ala the Tourchwood ones like in cardiff. A director in Network is very busy worrying about programmes, live sources, running the network to time, rather than editing together idents. Announcers do record parts of the day for Network, and infact do sit there for 10 hour shifts like the director. A late shift would start at 3pm and they are still live at 1am
I think this show...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ is on today between Dom's on the Case at 19:30 and EastEnders at 20:00. I assume the 20:00 news will also be on so this would have to be a short programme. I could be wrong but I think I saw a trailor for it yesterday. Does anyone know anything about it?
EDIT
: I was wrong. This show is on next week but the rest of the details above are correct. Should be an interesting junction anyway. This show is not in the EPG but neither is the 20:00 news (and it never has been AFAIK but it is usually mentioned in the description for the 19:30 programme).
Last edited by David on 6 July 2009 8:08pm - 2 times in total
"I don't know where she is now, Here comes a mattress coming out the window."
?????
"Nearly hit someone in the head"
What is he saying between the two sentances above? I'd be surprised if it is a swear word as this was a pre-recorded part of the show but I can't make out what he says and neither could the person doing the subtitles.