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AB
ashley b Founding member
By Space, I presume you mean "Mission Control", this has been shown (see The ident Gallery: http://www.theidentgallery.com/bbc1-2009.php).
CH
chris
By Space, I presume you mean "Mission Control", this has been shown (see The ident Gallery: http://www.theidentgallery.com/bbc1-2009.php).


Sorry, I was under the impression Space was its actual name, withn Mission Control being made up on here. I'm probably wrong but I'm sure that's what it's called on the BBC One website.

Thanks for the link anyway!
ST
SillyTilly
I don't think it can really be called Mission Control anymore as all them scenes have been cut Smile
CY
cylon6
I don't think it can really be called Mission Control anymore as all them scenes have been cut Smile


It's not just the control room scenes that are gone, the stunning sequence of the rover launching and landing have been lost as well! They have effed them up!!! Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
AB
ashley b Founding member
chris posted:
Sorry, I was under the impression Space was its actual name, withn Mission Control being made up on here. I'm probably wrong but I'm sure that's what it's called on the BBC One website.


Looks like you may be right, the BBC website seems to refer to it as "Space" too.
:-(
A former member
I've corrected that on the site. A none too in-depth search last night didn't help when checking the name, but a quick Google search this morning for BBC One Ident Space did confirm the proper name for the ident.
BR
Brekkie
Surely they should have seen from the BBC America versions the short edits just don't work - and at the very least decided to use them sparingly when absolutely necessary alongside the regular versions, which weren't exactly lengthy to begin with. It's not like the BBC One logo is off screen for long anyway - it's usually on the trailer preceding the ident too.

Look forward to the inevitable complaints to Points of View next week being brushed off in the usual manner and us being told it's what we want.
ST
SillyTilly
New Petals Ident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSHmZoQWWb8&fmt=18
DB
dbl
Surely they should have seen from the BBC America versions the short edits


If I'm honest these are better than the BBC America edits, theirs is just too messy.
JR
jrothwell97


That one's lovely. The music is huge improvement.

However, they have over-butchered Mission Control (or Space, or whatever) and I dread to think what's happened to Dog Display, Windows and the Ashes to Ashes ident. The Helicopter music is rather nice, but I hope they keep the old one ready for use in sombre scenarios.
BR
Brekkie
dbl posted:
Surely they should have seen from the BBC America versions the short edits


If I'm honest these are better than the BBC America edits, theirs is just too messy.

Yes, they're definitely better. Whether they're any good is another question.
PC
Paul Clark
I feel a lengthy post coming on...

I'll start by saying this - I can't help but feel it's a sorry state of affairs that we're probably roughly in the middle of the 'Circles' campaign, after an initial 2 ½ years - and it's only now, mid-way through that things are suddenly being changed...

When the rebrand happened in '06, my reaction was that long intros didn't feel right for BBC idents. If this revision is anything to go by, other folks must agree - albeit a couple years late to act. So now, the announcer no longer has to wait - symbols in junctions can be more 'punchy' and traditional in their timing, and this was well illustrated in the 20:05 junction on Saturday before 1 vs 100 . In that respect alone, it's a great deal better.

However, as much as it may suit the BBC, that's the only major positive I have about this - the change has created issues within the set itself. The concept has now been severely butchered. It should be considered, the idents weren't meant to be hacked-back in this way - but I can understand the move to display the logo sooner, considering how the lengthy intros slowed the pace, and caused problems for some directors in the Nations; symbols got cut short to the point the 'BBC One' logo was being omitted - that defeats a crucial, core purpose of an ident, moreso than any edits to an intro would.

This was a case of whether having the BBC One logo *always* appear, as it should, and making it prominent within the ident's duration, was more important than keeping the intros for context. They made their choice that showing 'BBC One' should take precedence. It was never a win-win situation. But it is true that without the logo, the whole thing becomes utterly useless - if this prevents that from ever occurring again, it's not entirely bad.

There is however, another aspect they really didn't need to change. The decision to completely re-jig almost all the audio tracks has been poorly judged. What used to be my favourite of the symbols, Helicopter, has evidently been the worst casualty of this revision to the identity.

It was the only truly sombre ident they had in the set - a powerful and moving soundtrack, it finally gave the most serious of programme introductions (and particularly news) the tone it sorely needed. But by changing the music in this way, we're again returning to a set with a complete lack of idents for these specific instances - both the new Capes and the new Kites just did not work leading in to news bulletins; the music is unsuitably upbeat and lively - rather jarring to cut straight from it to the headlines. It sounds utterly inappropriate and needs be addressed promptly.

This isn't the first time the Beeb have started altering things part-way through an existing era - look at what happened with BBC Two in October, albeit they flip-flopped and eventually (in my view, rightly) did a U-turn.

But that indecisiveness really illustrated the apparent confusion at the BBC regarding their own branding these days. Do they really strongly know what they want their channels to look like anymore? It's as if they lack direction (or arguably, adequate foresight). They roll-out the identity and wait two years before they suddenly decide that actually, they don't quite like how it was done - even though they obviously had no concerns when they commissioned the original idea! Rolling Eyes

If they knew what they wanted from the start, it would have been done right in 2006 and there'd be no need for these half-way changes now. Quite honestly, it should never have had to come to this. Just another example of the erosion of standards and conviction in BBC branding, which in recent years has worryingly become more widespread. They've got to do something about it before the next rebrand.

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