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WI
Wicko
Of course, the underlying question is: if the BBC have re-used a Christmas ident just 7 weeks after Christmas, and considering that they re-used 2006's Christmas Snowball ident, what, in all honesty, can we expect in December? Will we have another revisit from Snowball alongside the Penguin version, or will they have a brand new singular ident that will be broadcast throughout the entire festive season? While I realise it is only February, with the annual budgets constantly being discussed, is the Penguin re-use a sign that the BBC have now become so self righteousness and governed by unintelligible marketing people who think that the rehash of idents each Christmas is the best way to save money. Personally, I think the re-use of Xmas idents will make Christmas less interesting and very samey, meaning people no longer have a desire to tune in over Christmas. ITV over the past 3 years have had abysmal ratings at Christmas. Is that due to no effort or no special programming, or is it due to the fact that a BBC1 Xmas schedule actually feels special and Christmassey when you watch it?

Only 10 months until we find out! However, for those who want a new Christmas ident, the best thing to do is write NOW and let the marketing board know how important Christmas Idents are.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Wicko posted:
Of course, the underlying question is: if the BBC have re-used a Christmas ident just 7 weeks after Christmas, and considering that they re-used 2006's Christmas Snowball ident, what, in all honesty, can we expect in December? Will we have another revisit from Snowball alongside the Penguin version, or will they have a brand new singular ident that will be broadcast throughout the entire festive season? While I realise it is only February, with the annual budgets constantly being discussed, is the Penguin re-use a sign that the BBC have now become so self righteousness and governed by unintelligible marketing people who think that the rehash of idents each Christmas is the best way to save money. Personally, I think the re-use of Xmas idents will make Christmas less interesting and very samey, meaning people no longer have a desire to tune in over Christmas. ITV over the past 3 years have had abysmal ratings at Christmas. Is that due to no effort or no special programming, or is it due to the fact that a BBC1 Xmas schedule actually feels special and Christmassey when you watch it?

Only 10 months until we find out! However, for those who want a new Christmas ident, the best thing to do is write NOW and let the marketing board know how important Christmas Idents are.


Any space in that stormy teacup for some sugar?
WI
Wicko
Gavin Scott posted:
Wicko posted:
Of course, the underlying question is: if the BBC have re-used a Christmas ident just 7 weeks after Christmas, and considering that they re-used 2006's Christmas Snowball ident, what, in all honesty, can we expect in December? Will we have another revisit from Snowball alongside the Penguin version, or will they have a brand new singular ident that will be broadcast throughout the entire festive season? While I realise it is only February, with the annual budgets constantly being discussed, is the Penguin re-use a sign that the BBC have now become so self righteousness and governed by unintelligible marketing people who think that the rehash of idents each Christmas is the best way to save money. Personally, I think the re-use of Xmas idents will make Christmas less interesting and very samey, meaning people no longer have a desire to tune in over Christmas. ITV over the past 3 years have had abysmal ratings at Christmas. Is that due to no effort or no special programming, or is it due to the fact that a BBC1 Xmas schedule actually feels special and Christmassey when you watch it?

Only 10 months until we find out! However, for those who want a new Christmas ident, the best thing to do is write NOW and let the marketing board know how important Christmas Idents are.


Any space in that stormy teacup for some sugar?



Perhaps just one lump Gavin! But low calorie.
CY
cylon6
Jonny posted:
I agree with r2ro, the reason no-one minded the BBC2 festive idents being used outside of Christmas was because they were not altered.

With Penguins they have changed the formula and the ident, whilst still good, is no longer great. There is undoubtedly something missing (and I don't mean the Christmas decs Razz).


I think that if they lost the tree and kept the original music it would be fine.
JR
jrothwell97
cylon6 posted:
I remember the BBC2 ice cube ident being used outside of Christmas too.


That was actually used during the summer , presumably to concoct images of ice cubes to the hot, sweaty, melting viewers. I think it worked better during the summer.
CY
cylon6
jrothwell97 posted:
cylon6 posted:
I remember the BBC2 ice cube ident being used outside of Christmas too.


That was actually used during the summer , presumably to concoct images of ice cubes to the hot, sweaty, melting viewers. I think it worked better during the summer.


A '2' in an ice cube doesn't seem very Christmassey to me and neither do penguins which is why I think they could be played at any other time of the year. I just saw the new Penguins ident for the first time on my TV rather than a you tube clip and I think it works really well. You also see some skaters and penguins skating over the logo. It looks rather good.

Does anybody know for certain if it was brought back because people liked it so much?
CY
cylon6
I just read some comments on You Tube about the Christmas ident from a person that was in it. And it wasn't only the penguins that weren't there, apparently the tree wasn't either. So it would have been very easy for them to tweak it and show it throughout the year.
DO
dosxuk
cylon6 posted:
apparently the tree wasn't either.


Really? It looked so realistic.
NI
Nini
cylon6 posted:
I just read some comments on You Tube about the Christmas ident from a person that was in it. And it wasn't only the penguins that weren't there, apparently the tree wasn't either. So it would have been very easy for them to tweak it and show it throughout the year.

Wait, what? The tree I can understand but the penguins weren't real? Oh, next thing you'll tell me is that the hippos weren't either...
GM
nodnirG kraM
No, you fool, they just filmed the two on separate days. Health and safety wouldn't let penguins and skaters be on the rink at the same time. So they filmed the penguins first, mapped where they skated on a high-end computer, then told the skaters where to go the next day.

The tree, as you have observantly pointed out, was CGI.
CY
cylon6
I had no idea the tree was fake! That's really surprised me! Shocked

But I think you're all mistaken, the penguins WERE real but the skaters and the ice rink were all created by computer. You can tell because the texture mapping is so unrealistic. Very Happy
TC
TCOTV
NO!

The scater are real, the rink real, the penwins are computer genrated.
sarcastic
p.s. sorry 4 spelling Crying or Very sad

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