BBC One

When these new idents were introduced I thought that BBC 1 had adopted the same style as Channel 4, whereby the announcer would wait and the ident would play for around 30 seconds. The problem is, as a poster previously pointed out, that they have changed the look of BBC 1, but the announcers are still following the old style. It doesn't fit and is annoying to say the least.

also, I think that they spend too much time on trailers in between programmes, there fore giving less time for the ident to air properly and the announcer can't wait for the final form up

I think this is more the case. The fact that they haven't got any time.

I'd have thought that every programme would have been commission to either 28 or 58 minutes, and every trailer to a 15 or 30 second rule.

Therefore they'd have 2 minutes at the end of each programme, to air trailers, the one to watch fillers, and a 30 second ident to allow time for the form up and talking afterwards before going into the programme on the hour/half hour.

Of course that would be in a perfect broadcasting world I suppose.

Nice to see the helicopter ident on tonight's six - but is it me or do they seem to choose one ident then use it over and over again for the news.

Thinks of this, firstly it was the kites even though the football or moon could and have been used before. Then we moved to the nature one and didn't give it up - practically forgetting that one ever existed! Now I just hope we don't get stuck with the helicopter... what happened to variety?

Yes BBC1 is just plain boring, the new controller will have to rebrand soon as this circle theam is just to restrictive,they nature ident really gets on my nerves alough long kites is my favorite.Next time they re-brand they need to think ahead into the long term something BBC2 did between 1991-2001

http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/delivery/durations/index.shtml

BBC1 Network Primetime, BBC2, BBC4 and all Scotland/Wales/NI programmes are commissioned to 29 minutes out of 30, 44 out of 45, 59 out of 60, etc. BBC3 have actually increased their programming lengths slightly from 13/15, 28/30 and 56/60 to 14/15, 28.5/30 & 57/60 as of the turn of the year (And the shorter lengths were to allow for 60 Seconds news bulletins, rather than extra promos)

Personally, I'd rather have the extra minute of programme and less trailer/ident...

Boring? Have you not noticed the amount of variations there's been?

I see what you mean, but when the idents don't reach climax until 15 seconds (ish) in, you're looking at 30 with a good anno (if they anno over them correctly), and now they tend to have at least 2 promos of 30 seconds on in between each programme. So surely most things over run.

Have BBC Three dropped, or are they planning on dropping 60 seconds?

*presumes you mean under-run*

Flicking through tonight's programmes on the iPlayer... not by much compared to the guidelines. From BBC1, One Show over runs by 2s, and the underrun on half-hour shows tends to be no more than 15 seconds. (Watchdog is 14 seconds under, Bill Oddie 5s under, MasterChef 11s under), while Wonderland is 8s short. Torchwood is the only big underun, at 1m 35s. [Sport-dominated night, though]. On BBC4, of the two hour-long shows, Mark Lawson/RTD is one second over , but Pop On Trial is 31 seconds under.

There's obviously a bit of leeway, especially for drama (I seem to recall Who varying from 41 minutes apiece for Moffat's S1 two-parter to 46 minutes for Rise of the Cybermen), but most stuff seems to be within half a minute or so of where it should be.


No idea - since they made their guidelines for slightly lengthier programmes, it seemed safer to say "were", which could be accurate either way . After I posted that, I checked a junction and 60 Seconds was on, but it could be in its last week, or it could keep going for years & years

No I meant over run, as the programme won't start on time due to promos, etc. And will over run its slot

I believe 60 seconds was written into their news agreement after various versions of 15 and 30 minute news bulletins were dropped.

So I doubt 60 seconds could be dropped without the agreement of the Department of Culture, Media and Sport.

As far as I can see, the problem is not the not enough time is allowed for the ident, rather than that the form-up is too lengthy, 15 seconds in most cases is much too long. There are versions of some of the idents with shortened form-ups, but these don't seem to shown very much, and I don't understand why. Do we really need to see the whole 15 seconds of action before the logo appears every single time? In fact I'd rather they just cut straight to the circle.