SP
Was there a timing cockup into the news? The symbol got cut off and a menu came up which the announcer went through before linking to the news saying that "we can now join Peter Sissons".
GE
I'm not sure what happened - News Channel were sitting on their non-counting countdown (the one with the bad music loop), probably waiting for BBC One to be ready, then cut to Peter sitting there in silence for a bit.
thegeek
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Steve in Pudsey posted:
Was there a timing cockup into the news? The symbol got cut off and a menu came up which the announcer went through before linking to the news saying that "we can now join Peter Sissons".
ST
I'm not sure what happened - News Channel were sitting on their non-counting countdown (the one with the bad music loop), probably waiting for BBC One to be ready, then cut to Peter sitting there in silence for a bit.
So BBC One were kept waiting by the BBC news studio and Peter Sissons. Haven't we been here before... what colour tie was Peter wearing?!
Steve
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thegeek posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Was there a timing cockup into the news? The symbol got cut off and a menu came up which the announcer went through before linking to the news saying that "we can now join Peter Sissons".
So BBC One were kept waiting by the BBC news studio and Peter Sissons. Haven't we been here before... what colour tie was Peter wearing?!
IS
On network BBC 1 and BBC 2 the live announcer is in control of the music on the ident, and is able to dip it to whatever level they like and can let the ident music carry over on to top of the programme, fading it out as they see fit to achieve a less jarring, more polished effect.
To achieve this is quite tricky.
The presentation mixing desk has buttons on it which carry both vision and sound. In order to split the vision and sound (so that the announcer can dip the music on the ident without affecting the volume of the programme's sound) they play two copies of the ident as I described above.
The viewers see the vision of one copy of the ident, but hear the sound from the another copy (via the announcers booth).
The output of the announcers booth (with their voice and the music of the ident) is on a fader which the director of the channel opens just before the end of one programme, and then closes again just after the next programme has started.
That is how it has been done for many years, but they never used to have 2 identical items playing at the same time.
The director would always ensure that the ident was played on a specific server port (before that of course it would be from the laserdisc output) - the audio output of this port was routed into a fader in the announcers booth. The automation for the ident would be set so it took the port for the video and silence for the audio. Then the director would fade up the announcer booth so they had full control over the audio during the ident.
Because they were manually faded in the announcer could continue his script after the programme started. IIRC Channel 4 used to have a hard cut on their announcers which caused problems when certain words (like country) getting cut off half way through!
denton posted:
On network BBC 1 and BBC 2 the live announcer is in control of the music on the ident, and is able to dip it to whatever level they like and can let the ident music carry over on to top of the programme, fading it out as they see fit to achieve a less jarring, more polished effect.
To achieve this is quite tricky.
The presentation mixing desk has buttons on it which carry both vision and sound. In order to split the vision and sound (so that the announcer can dip the music on the ident without affecting the volume of the programme's sound) they play two copies of the ident as I described above.
The viewers see the vision of one copy of the ident, but hear the sound from the another copy (via the announcers booth).
The output of the announcers booth (with their voice and the music of the ident) is on a fader which the director of the channel opens just before the end of one programme, and then closes again just after the next programme has started.
That is how it has been done for many years, but they never used to have 2 identical items playing at the same time.
The director would always ensure that the ident was played on a specific server port (before that of course it would be from the laserdisc output) - the audio output of this port was routed into a fader in the announcers booth. The automation for the ident would be set so it took the port for the video and silence for the audio. Then the director would fade up the announcer booth so they had full control over the audio during the ident.
Because they were manually faded in the announcer could continue his script after the programme started. IIRC Channel 4 used to have a hard cut on their announcers which caused problems when certain words (like country) getting cut off half way through!
DA
Did anyone watch this with subtitles and/or audio description turned on? There was obviously some edits made to the show after the audio description/subtitles had been produced. The two I noticed on the Friday edition (not sure if the repeat had the same problems)...
- In the Brownie sketch ("I love you more than puppies" etc.) Matt Lucas as the little girl was heard to say "I love you more than blow jobs" but the subtitles had him saying "I love you more than cum shots". I guess BBC One decided that the average viewer could handle a "blow job" but would gag on a "cum shot".
- The last sketch in the show featured Bubbles DeVere playing roulette on a cruise ship. However, the subtitles and audio description was for the body builders sketch which wasn't featured in the show at all. I was surprised when it cut to a shot of Bubbles next to the croupier and almost in sync the fella doing the audio description piped up with "They both have small penises". How did he know?
JCB posted:
While we're on the subject of Little Britain USA wasn't it awful? Not because it was American - it was just crap. Then again it has been for 4 years.
Did anyone watch this with subtitles and/or audio description turned on? There was obviously some edits made to the show after the audio description/subtitles had been produced. The two I noticed on the Friday edition (not sure if the repeat had the same problems)...
- In the Brownie sketch ("I love you more than puppies" etc.) Matt Lucas as the little girl was heard to say "I love you more than blow jobs" but the subtitles had him saying "I love you more than cum shots". I guess BBC One decided that the average viewer could handle a "blow job" but would gag on a "cum shot".
- The last sketch in the show featured Bubbles DeVere playing roulette on a cruise ship. However, the subtitles and audio description was for the body builders sketch which wasn't featured in the show at all. I was surprised when it cut to a shot of Bubbles next to the croupier and almost in sync the fella doing the audio description piped up with "They both have small penises". How did he know?
RO
I didn't see it on BBC One Friday, but I have watched it on the net, can I assume that BBC One cut out the two bodybuilders in the gym changing rooms, because that's the sketch the AD was referring to.
rob
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davidlees posted:
almost in sync the fella doing the audio description piped up with "They both have small penises". How did he know?
I didn't see it on BBC One Friday, but I have watched it on the net, can I assume that BBC One cut out the two bodybuilders in the gym changing rooms, because that's the sketch the AD was referring to.
DA
I didn't see it on BBC One Friday, but I have watched it on the net, can I assume that BBC One cut out the two bodybuilders in the gym changing rooms, because that's the sketch the AD was referring to.
Which version did you watch? HBO or BBC? Did the HBO version include the body builders in the first episode?
rfrancis51284 posted:
davidlees posted:
almost in sync the fella doing the audio description piped up with "They both have small penises". How did he know?
I didn't see it on BBC One Friday, but I have watched it on the net, can I assume that BBC One cut out the two bodybuilders in the gym changing rooms, because that's the sketch the AD was referring to.
Which version did you watch? HBO or BBC? Did the HBO version include the body builders in the first episode?
DE
On network BBC 1 and BBC 2 the live announcer is in control of the music on the ident, and is able to dip it to whatever level they like and can let the ident music carry over on to top of the programme, fading it out as they see fit to achieve a less jarring, more polished effect.
To achieve this is quite tricky.
The presentation mixing desk has buttons on it which carry both vision and sound. In order to split the vision and sound (so that the announcer can dip the music on the ident without affecting the volume of the programme's sound) they play two copies of the ident as I described above.
The viewers see the vision of one copy of the ident, but hear the sound from the another copy (via the announcers booth).
The output of the announcers booth (with their voice and the music of the ident) is on a fader which the director of the channel opens just before the end of one programme, and then closes again just after the next programme has started.
That is how it has been done for many years, but they never used to have 2 identical items playing at the same time.
The director would always ensure that the ident was played on a specific server port (before that of course it would be from the laserdisc output) - the audio output of this port was routed into a fader in the announcers booth. The automation for the ident would be set so it took the port for the video and silence for the audio. Then the director would fade up the announcer booth so they had full control over the audio during the ident.
Indeed. I remember seeing that system in action myself.
AFAIK the current automation system assigns the next event in the schedule to the next available playout port... therefore the symbol does not always play from the same port.
A routing flag is activated on the 2nd copy of the symbol event, sending the audio from whatever port the automation system decides to use, to the fader in the announcer's booth.
The 1st copy of symbol is the one which has the audio disabled. I think the reason behind having two copies of the symbol running, is that when the audio is disabled on the first copy of the symbol, it is actually disabling the audio from the playout port itself, rather than splitting the audio and video sources on the mixer (as happened in the method you described above).
Inspector Sands posted:
denton posted:
On network BBC 1 and BBC 2 the live announcer is in control of the music on the ident, and is able to dip it to whatever level they like and can let the ident music carry over on to top of the programme, fading it out as they see fit to achieve a less jarring, more polished effect.
To achieve this is quite tricky.
The presentation mixing desk has buttons on it which carry both vision and sound. In order to split the vision and sound (so that the announcer can dip the music on the ident without affecting the volume of the programme's sound) they play two copies of the ident as I described above.
The viewers see the vision of one copy of the ident, but hear the sound from the another copy (via the announcers booth).
The output of the announcers booth (with their voice and the music of the ident) is on a fader which the director of the channel opens just before the end of one programme, and then closes again just after the next programme has started.
That is how it has been done for many years, but they never used to have 2 identical items playing at the same time.
The director would always ensure that the ident was played on a specific server port (before that of course it would be from the laserdisc output) - the audio output of this port was routed into a fader in the announcers booth. The automation for the ident would be set so it took the port for the video and silence for the audio. Then the director would fade up the announcer booth so they had full control over the audio during the ident.
Indeed. I remember seeing that system in action myself.
AFAIK the current automation system assigns the next event in the schedule to the next available playout port... therefore the symbol does not always play from the same port.
A routing flag is activated on the 2nd copy of the symbol event, sending the audio from whatever port the automation system decides to use, to the fader in the announcer's booth.
The 1st copy of symbol is the one which has the audio disabled. I think the reason behind having two copies of the symbol running, is that when the audio is disabled on the first copy of the symbol, it is actually disabling the audio from the playout port itself, rather than splitting the audio and video sources on the mixer (as happened in the method you described above).
CY
There's loads of threads about her on the BBC Messageboard complaining about her. For some reason her voice seems better suited to BBC Three.
Andrew posted:
I see the BBC's worst ever continuity announcer is on shift on BBC One tonight.
She should be nowhere near BBC1 in my opinion, BBC3 or Sky One at best
She should be nowhere near BBC1 in my opinion, BBC3 or Sky One at best