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BBC One 2016 Christmas Presentation

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Charlie Gough
Controversial opinion but I quite liked the red curtain idents......


Why does this not come as a surprise?

Indeed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRGDqk7o_8U

I was blown away by the thought and creativity that went into this...
MA
mark Founding member
I have to say I don't mind these idents. The ones with people in are a little bit 'ITV' - but I like that, this year, they're all about celebrating the simple pleasures of Christmas.
JO
Josh
mark posted:
I have to say I don't mind these idents. The ones with people in are a little bit 'ITV' - but I like that, this year, they're all about celebrating the simple pleasures of Christmas.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this.
PI
picard
Three idents featuring people, all of which zoom in on the actions of white adult males ... Not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that, and these three actors are clearly not the focus of the idents in a major way, but this nonetheless strikes me as a surprising decision given the amount of scrutiny of diversity on the BBC.


One of the guys is not white in the jumper one.

However I doubt anyone notices that sort of stuff.
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Rex
Wicko posted:
They are putting the BBC One logo in the middle in an apparent attempt to align it up the to circular object behind the logo.

Would have worked much better if they had just done away with focusing on an object and just had the background.


I think that the BBC are emphasising on the 'O' now rather than being predominantly about the circle. I have no issue with the BBC One being centred over the main focal point because I, like most other people, have got used to the BBC One logo being in the centre.

They've been doing this far more recently than before - promos started at first, then special idents such as Strictly and Planet Earth II used the falling 'o' motif.

The problem however is that there isn't a consistent approach to how the 'One' logo is formed, and it feels like a desperate attempt to squeeze out what's left of the current pres package.
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
JoshX posted:
Wicko posted:
Bloke who is CA tonight seems to really like Bauble! Used it for both junctions so far since 7pm,!

As far as I'm aware of, the idents are chosen by the play-out gallery and not the CA, as seen on the Points Of View extract.


No, they're scheduled by Media Planning. They're not usually changed by the playout director unless they're inappropriate (e.g. the Helicopter ident into the news when the top story is a helicopter crash).
DB
dbl
Media Planning and/or Scheduling deffo, Playout would be too pre-occupied to focus on idents (unless there's an urgency)
RE
Rex
dbl posted:
Media Planning and/or Scheduling deffo, Playout would be too pre-occupied to focus on idents (unless there's an urgency)

What's the role of Media Planning with regards to presentation and scheduling? Curious to be fair.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Having had a bit of time to consider I personally feel the idents are okay. They're just very different in style to what has previously been used on BBC One, and are something you'd expect to see on one of the commercial channels. Maybe if different music had been used and background talking was muted it would feel more like a BBC-style ident.
:-(
A former member
Well this is a turn up for the books, and I like it! Scotland just used the jumper ident and its didn't form up it was already at the red nose. I like it. Maybe that hows some of the other idents should have been like instead of the 09 edits. ( yes I recorded it)
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dbl
dbl posted:
Media Planning and/or Scheduling deffo, Playout would be too pre-occupied to focus on idents (unless there's an urgency)

What's the role of Media Planning with regards to presentation and scheduling? Curious to be fair.

Media Planning is more channel strategy, their job is to work with several departments, such as: Marketing, Scheduling, Channel Planning, Continuity/Creative, Programming etc.. and they work out a plan in how to promote or boost certain promotions/viewership on-air. They create something called a Media Plan (daily), which Scheduling, Continuity and Creative follow. So for example, they'll request a Cross Promotion ECP/Menu or Pointers & IPPs to promote a higher profile show within the network of channels, or if they want to try and keep viewers for a new show, they can request a 'closed break' (accelerated flow) so that when the programme ends, it starts more or less bang on into the next show.


Promos are given different priorities as well, so if you're wondering why there's a high repetition to a certain promo, that's their doing. But back to the original point, idents are usually chosen by Scheduling, but if it's a big campaign Media Planning may be involved.
Last edited by dbl on 7 December 2016 10:50pm - 4 times in total
KD
Keith Drop
dbl posted:
dbl posted:
Media Planning and/or Scheduling deffo, Playout would be too pre-occupied to focus on idents (unless there's an urgency)

What's the role of Media Planning with regards to presentation and scheduling? Curious to be fair.

Media Planning is more channel strategy, their job is to work with several departments, such as: Marketing, Scheduling, Channel Planning, Continuity/Creative, Programming etc.. and they work out a plan in how to promote or boost certain promotions/viewership on-air.
They look after placement of promotions for all BBC programmes and services, and responsible for all items in break - including end credit promotions and in junction graphics.

dbl posted:
They create something called a Media Plan (daily), which Scheduling, Continuity and Creative follow.

At the BBC junction scheduling is a function of Media Planning - so all items in break are placed by the department. The mix and duration of promos, choice and duration of idents, order of promotions are all decided by Media Planning, with Playout Directors and Editors only making on-the-fly changes for timing or editorial reasons.

dbl posted:
Promos are given different priorities as well, so if you're wondering why there's a high repetition to a certain promo, that's their doing. But back to the original point, idents are usually chosen by Scheduling, but if it's a big campaign Media Planning may be involved.
BBC Media Planning are responsible for scheduling the biggest campaigns - like Christmas, all the way down to nightly bumpers for Newsnight.

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