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BBC One +1 Stopped by the BBC Trust

(June 2015)

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TW
tweedledum
Now we need to discuss what's the best place for it's big programmes to go to.


What big programmes? Of the ones it did have almost all been moved or cancelled.

Ah you're right. Except what happens to Family Guy for the remaining seasons it has, and for archive episodes? And what channel does the Eurovision semi-finals go to? Does 60 Seconds stay or go also?
It's already been confirmed by the BBC that 60 Seconds will end, even if BBC Three stays.
Last edited by tweedledum on 30 June 2015 7:34pm
WP
Wee-Pea-Moo
Random questions ..here goes;-) Wink Wink
Is it true the government want rid of the BBC trust? If so say ofcom take over or whoever?? Does it mean BBC can then put in fresh proposals for bbc1 +1??

The free slot on all platforms when BBC 3 goes will it stay BBC or be took over by another broadcaster?

What happens to BBC 4? It stays as bbc4 or changes to BBC knowledge again?
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Random questions ..here goes;-) Wink Wink
Is it true the government want rid of the BBC trust? If so say ofcom take over or whoever?? Does it mean BBC can then put in fresh proposals for bbc1 +1??


Yes to the first, powers moved to Ofcom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11700135/Ofcom-to-take-charge-of-BBC.html

Regarding BBC1+1, time will tell whether it comes up again.

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the free slot on all platforms when BBC 3 goes will it stay BBC or be took over by another broadcaster?


There is no guarantee yet that BBC Three will close. It probably will. If it does, CBBC may get two hours of the space, but what happens after 9pm remains to be seen; if BBC Three doesn't close nothing changes.

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What happens to BBC 4? It stays as bbc4 or changes to BBC knowledge again?


No changes as far as as known to BBC Four. Bear in mind it shares transmission space and facilities with CBeebies, like BBC Three shares with CBBC.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Seems sensible enough to me to reject +1. There are plenty of platforms for which to catch up on BBC content and a +1 channel would be a waste of funds (no matter how little the cost). The only benefit to the BBC would be that its overnight ratings could be beefed up a bit against commercial rivals. That is not a valid reason to fund a channel.
BR
Brekkie
Reading through a few of the responses from other broadcasters and good to see them all making exactly the same argument as we did - if the future of TV is online, as the BBC3 proposals suggest, then why launch a linear channel.

I can't see BBC3's space being used for anything more than an evening red button stream, which will probably end up showing the sort of crap they're going to put out on Facebook on a loop rather than any televisiual content.
WP
Wee-Pea-Moo
Got visions now of constant ads for shows with tag line (to watch this you must go online) which will quickly become annoying...our broadband so slow like many others doubt it would cope with extra use Wink

Did think bbc1+1 would happen and then an over due rebrand of bbc1 idents start at launch of the +1 but seems not happening
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Random questions ..here goes;-) Wink Wink
Is it true the government want rid of the BBC trust? If so say ofcom take over or whoever?? Does it mean BBC can then put in fresh proposals for bbc1 +1??


Yes to the first, powers moved to Ofcom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11700135/Ofcom-to-take-charge-of-BBC.html

Regarding BBC1+1, time will tell whether it comes up again.

Despite the article title and a lot of it's content that has not yet been confirmed, though looks likely. The telling paragraph in the article is...
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Negotiations towards the renewal of the BBC Charter have not begun formally, but a source close to the Government’s plans said “you can put your mortgage on it”, referring to abolition of the BBC Trust and expansion of Ofcom’s remit.
DB
dbl

I can't see BBC3's space being used for anything more than an evening red button stream, which will probably end up showing the sort of crap they're going to put out on Facebook on a loop rather than any televisiual content.

I went to a talk with the BBC3 Controller, Damian Kavanagh. His plans seem quite actually decent. Its more 'focused' on genres that the viewers actually like, which is scripted comedy and factual. They want to chop out the fluff, sighting an example where he's watched a BBC3 documentary and you could tell that its been padded out to reach 1 hour. He used VICE and Buzzfeed as an example, and that BBC3 won't be just a section on iPlayer (he said iPlayer is 'just a player'), it will be social media orientated.

He admits he was cynical about the whole thing himself, but has come around to idea.
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DA
davidhorman
dbl posted:
Its more 'focused' on genres that the viewers actually like, which is scripted comedy and factual.


I hope Murder in Successville somehow falls under scripted comedy (it's not a panel show, at least). Funniest thing I've seen on BBC Three in years.
DB
dbl
dbl posted:
Its more 'focused' on genres that the viewers actually like, which is scripted comedy and factual.


I hope Murder in Successville somehow falls under scripted comedy (it's not a panel show, at least). Funniest thing I've seen on BBC Three in years.

He mentioned that as well, a positive sign for things to come. He's tired of the panel shows and has seen how the talent is overused, and how they come through like a revolving door.
ST
Standby
There is no justification for a +1 channel.
Stuart, Nathan and London Lite gave kudos
BR
Brekkie
dbl posted:

I can't see BBC3's space being used for anything more than an evening red button stream, which will probably end up showing the sort of crap they're going to put out on Facebook on a loop rather than any televisiual content.

I went to a talk with the BBC3 Controller, Damian Kavanagh. His plans seem quite actually decent. Its more 'focused' on genres that the viewers actually like, which is scripted comedy and factual. They want to chop out the fluff, sighting an example where he's watched a BBC3 documentary and you could tell that its been padded out to reach 1 hour. He used VICE and Buzzfeed as an example, and that BBC3 won't be just a section on iPlayer (he said iPlayer is 'just a player'), it will be social media orientated.

He admits he was cynical about the whole thing himself, but has come around to idea.

Sadly he was just hired to be the public puppet to try and defend the undefendable. The "Make me Laugh" and "Make me Think" strands are pretty insulting IMO, and what I hate most about these proposals is the amount of the vastly reduced budget they plan to spend on non-TV content, content more than catered for elsewhere.

While it may be wise to focus on scripted comedy and factual, certainly two of the channels strengths along with drama, on the other hand why shouldn't the younger audience be able to enjoy some lighter stuff too - shows like Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents being the obvious example as a show which probably isn't considered "worthy" but attracted a high audience and is essentially a fun, non-demanding watch. The likes of Strictly, Pointless and Bargain Hunt do exactly the same for the older audience, but if you're being brutal none of them would be survive if BBC1 was being treated in the same way as BBC3.

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