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IN
intheknow
c@t posted:
James Hatts posted:
Some interesting bits in this interview with Roger Mosey from Tuesday's Independent:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932

Tim Luckhurst in The Independent posted:
Gravitas is central to Mosey's defence of News 24, the BBC's rolling news service. The channel is due to be relaunched within the next six weeks or so, after heavy criticism in an independent report compiled by the former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert, who declared that the channel was "not yet as good as the BBC claims it is".

Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."

So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."

Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."


That's such bull.

Mosey is the worst person I can think of to be let near a 24 hour news channel.

All of this rubbish about broadsheet and tabloid and that "we're better than Sky". He's stuck back in the News Directorate days, whereas most of the people working there are not.

I don't think there are significant amounts of people at BBC News who'd agree with Mosey's assertion that the BBC is in some way entirely pure and better-by-default than its rivals "because it's the BBC".

Opinions formers do not SIGNIFICANTLY prefer it - it was a few percent higher; and the comment that News 24 is really valued by its audience is to suggest that Sky is not... there is absolutely nothing to show that's the case.

A new set is just not going to fix the fundamental problems of the channel.

Anyway, Sky aren't going to sit around and do nothing; I think we can safely safe that much.


I don`t think Sky are going to do anything to counter it, until their next big revamp at least. It appears they have abandoned their foray into opinion and discussion programming, as their is only Littlejohn now, and thats only 30 minutes (really it should be at 7.30, news on the hour, then other programmes, unless another programme is eventually going to come in at 7.30?)

The change in editorial style doesn't seem to have happened, all the bulletins look the same, they still have the graphics that, although slot and integrate together well, look like they have been designed by an 11 year old, in fact the only thing that has changed is the music and slightly different opening sequence, and this was only due to legal issues with the previous music.
NG
noggin Founding member
snarfu posted:
BBC News Resources is actually part of BBC News. They used to be part of BBC Resources.

BBC Resources and BBC Technology are the separate subsidary companies.


Yes - and BBC News Resources itself is being folded back into BBC News, meaning that BBC News Res will soon largely cease to exist.

BBC News Graphics - which was part of BBC News Res - has already been taken fully back into BBC News management, and editing will follow shortly if it hasn't already.

BBC News Studios crewing (sound, vision mixing, studio cameras etc.) will have moved fully into News from News Res by the end of the financial year.

(Yes I know News Res is already part of news - but the idea is to reduce the duplicate management structures)
MO
Moz
insiderdesigner posted:
The clock is moved to just left of the DOG.


Hmmmmmm! Unless they move the DOG slightly to the right to make room (which I can't see as possible as all BBC digital channels follow the same pattern) this would place the clock outside the 4:3 safe area.

I think I'll wait and see when the real stuff comes on screen!
CA
cat
intheknow posted:
c@t posted:
James Hatts posted:
Some interesting bits in this interview with Roger Mosey from Tuesday's Independent:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932

Tim Luckhurst in The Independent posted:
Gravitas is central to Mosey's defence of News 24, the BBC's rolling news service. The channel is due to be relaunched within the next six weeks or so, after heavy criticism in an independent report compiled by the former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert, who declared that the channel was "not yet as good as the BBC claims it is".

Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."

So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."

Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."


That's such bull.

Mosey is the worst person I can think of to be let near a 24 hour news channel.

All of this rubbish about broadsheet and tabloid and that "we're better than Sky". He's stuck back in the News Directorate days, whereas most of the people working there are not.

I don't think there are significant amounts of people at BBC News who'd agree with Mosey's assertion that the BBC is in some way entirely pure and better-by-default than its rivals "because it's the BBC".

Opinions formers do not SIGNIFICANTLY prefer it - it was a few percent higher; and the comment that News 24 is really valued by its audience is to suggest that Sky is not... there is absolutely nothing to show that's the case.

A new set is just not going to fix the fundamental problems of the channel.

Anyway, Sky aren't going to sit around and do nothing; I think we can safely safe that much.


I don`t think Sky are going to do anything to counter it, until their next big revamp at least. It appears they have abandoned their foray into opinion and discussion programming, as their is only Littlejohn now, and thats only 30 minutes (really it should be at 7.30, news on the hour, then other programmes, unless another programme is eventually going to come in at 7.30?)

The change in editorial style doesn't seem to have happened, all the bulletins look the same, they still have the graphics that, although slot and integrate together well, look like they have been designed by an 11 year old, in fact the only thing that has changed is the music and slightly different opening sequence, and this was only due to legal issues with the previous music.


Well... "you're wrong" is all I will say to that little lot.
BE
beefqueen
What I like is that Mosey states that News 24 has gravitas, then goes on to talk about the set being too beige and the graphics being rubbish.

Forgive me for saying this in here but . . . . perhaps graphics and the set aren't crucial to the gravitas of a news program?
ND
ndp
InsiderDesigner - do the new titles share any resemblance with the logo shown on the plasma screens in the 1/6/10 bulletins?
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
Moz posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
The clock is moved to just left of the DOG.


Hmmmmmm! Unless they move the DOG slightly to the right to make room (which I can't see as possible as all BBC digital channels follow the same pattern) this would place the clock outside the 4:3 safe area.

I think I'll wait and see when the real stuff comes on screen!

There is a very good reason why the clock should not go anywhere near the DOG - what about when News 24 is simulcast on BBC1 and 2 without the DOG, in the cases of Breakfast and Weekend 24 - you'd end up with the clock floating awkwardly in mid-air. This is surely the most obvious reason to leave the clock where it's always been!
DV
dvboy
I think they should do something like they've done for the headlines on Breakfast, or like BBC Sport have done in Final Score.
:-(
A former member
Robert Williams posted:


I think I'll wait and see when the real stuff comes on screen!

Exaclty
BE
benjy
Robert Williams posted:
Moz posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
The clock is moved to just left of the DOG.


Hmmmmmm! Unless they move the DOG slightly to the right to make room (which I can't see as possible as all BBC digital channels follow the same pattern) this would place the clock outside the 4:3 safe area.

I think I'll wait and see when the real stuff comes on screen!

There is a very good reason why the clock should not go anywhere near the DOG - what about when News 24 is simulcast on BBC1 and 2 without the DOG, in the cases of Breakfast and Weekend 24 - you'd end up with the clock floating awkwardly in mid-air. This is surely the most obvious reason to leave the clock where it's always been!


That would happen if the clock was on the right of the DOG, but if it is as insiderdesigner says and it goes on the left of the DOG, there wouldn't be a problem. Although the clock is never shown on simulcasts (bar Breakfast) with BBC One anymore!
PE
Pete Founding member
benjy posted:
Robert Williams posted:
Moz posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
The clock is moved to just left of the DOG.


Hmmmmmm! Unless they move the DOG slightly to the right to make room (which I can't see as possible as all BBC digital channels follow the same pattern) this would place the clock outside the 4:3 safe area.

I think I'll wait and see when the real stuff comes on screen!

There is a very good reason why the clock should not go anywhere near the DOG - what about when News 24 is simulcast on BBC1 and 2 without the DOG, in the cases of Breakfast and Weekend 24 - you'd end up with the clock floating awkwardly in mid-air. This is surely the most obvious reason to leave the clock where it's always been!


That would happen if the clock was on the right of the DOG, but if it is as insiderdesigner says and it goes on the left of the DOG, there wouldn't be a problem. Although the clock is never shown on simulcasts (bar Breakfast) with BBC One anymore!


but if it went on the left it would be out of the 4:3 safe zone and 4:3 sad luddite freaks would have a half clock like you get on RI:SE
RO
roo
Quick question - how do they get the reflection on the desk to look right on the CSO on News 24 at the mo?

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