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A former member
intheknow posted:
Ah, more confirmation on new graphics. Let's hope they are re-designed in a way that they don't clutter the frame up, and look better than Sky's but still retaining easy readability and flexibility.


Youll be in for a pleasent surprise when you see the new three-line astons. And surprised by the choice of colour.

Wink
DV
dvboy
*yawn*

why don;t we just wait and see, eh kids?
IN
intheknow
insiderdesigner posted:
intheknow posted:
Ah, more confirmation on new graphics. Let's hope they are re-designed in a way that they don't clutter the frame up, and look better than Sky's but still retaining easy readability and flexibility.


Youll be in for a pleasent surprise when you see the new three-line astons. And surprised by the choice of colour.

Wink


Intresting...

There should be a complete rethink of where different elements of the graphics are positioned. The clock should be made smaller and moved up next to the channel DOG, and the LIVE bug and location strap should be made slightly smaller and moved elsewhere, which could decrease screen clutter.

Wouldn't mind seeing a design that is centre-aligned like most of the US networks are, and uses fading opacity so the viewers can see more of the pictures underneath the graphics. I think they should also be animating as well.

Just hope the new name astons don't use the pointless folding animation that they had that was introduced earlier this year (although I notice the temporary gallery setup in TC10 doesn't allow them to do it, so its not been used since the last time News 24 used N8.). If they do use some sort of animation, they should use a fast type like Sky Sports use.
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A former member
intheknow posted:
[Intresting...

There should be a complete rethink of where different elements of the graphics are positioned. The clock should be made smaller and moved up next to the channel DOG, and the LIVE bug and location strap should be made slightly smaller and moved elsewhere, which could decrease screen clutter.

Wouldn't mind seeing a design that is centre-aligned like most of the US networks are, and uses fading opacity so the viewers can see more of the pictures underneath the graphics. I think they should also be animating as well.

Just hope the new name astons don't use the pointless folding animation that they had that was introduced earlier this year (although I notice the temporary gallery setup in TC10 doesn't allow them to do it, so its not been used since the last time News 24 used N8.). If they do use some sort of animation, they should use a fast type like Sky Sports use.


The clock is moved to just left of the DOG.

Weve pretty much finished the titles and graphics work now. The next big project which we have been told to have ready by June next year is a BBCi-based video menu, with layout like Bloomberg/Sky Sports News.

The picture is top left, stories at the bottom, ticker line and video menu on the right of the screen. Very exciting, although were trying to stylistically move away from red and beige. Not with a great deal of success so far.

EDIT: This will be by red-button access, just to clear up any confusion. The service will remain full-screen when in normal viewing mode.
MD
mdtauk
I have a couple of questions for - insiderdesigner

How is the News 24 logo going to be approached with this re-launch, and will the look of the titles, signify the direction the national news will be going with their titles.

Also with regard to the studio, which you may or may not have any knowledge off, is there any studios currently on TV which include elements similar so we can speculate? for example a desk similar to the national news, and a screen like BBC Breakfast etc...
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A former member
martinDTanderson posted:
I have a couple of questions for - insiderdesigner

How is the News 24 logo going to be approached with this re-launch, and will the look of the titles, signify the direction the national news will be going with their titles.


The logo will probably go back onto one line, as the 97 relaunch. However, weve provided two opening sequences, slightly tweaked depending on whether they end up choosing one-line or box version. On either version, there is an opaque red box (dark blood red type) behind the white logo.

The contract for the national titles have not yet been awarded, but it will likely follow News24 with red and ivory.

EDIT: I should add that either logo will be centre screen, both H & V.

martinDTanderson posted:
Also with regard to the studio, which you may or may not have any knowledge off, is there any studios currently on TV which include elements similar so we can speculate? for example a desk similar to the national news, and a screen like BBC Breakfast etc...


Sorry, martin, were not involved with the design of the studio so I cant shed any light on that. AIUI, the three or four outside contractors working on various parts of the relaunch have been given the same stylistic guidelines, so it doesnt look like a mess.
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intheknow
insiderdesigner posted:
The logo will probably go back onto one line, as the 97 relaunch. However, weve provided two opening sequences, slightly tweaked depending on whether they end up choosing one-line or box version. On either version, there is an opaque red box (dark blood red type) behind the white logo.


Well, I heard that at the very least, that the logo design used on the current titles would be retained i.e. the BBC News logo standard, and the "24" bit is 3D, and at an angle. It certainly would look better than just a basic striped or boxed Gill Sans logo.
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A former member
intheknow posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
The logo will probably go back onto one line, as the 97 relaunch. However, weve provided two opening sequences, slightly tweaked depending on whether they end up choosing one-line or box version. On either version, there is an opaque red box (dark blood red type) behind the white logo.


Well, I heard that at the very least, that the logo design used on the current titles would be retained i.e. the BBC News logo standard, and the "24" bit is 3D, and at an angle. It certainly would look better than just a basic striped or boxed Gill Sans logo.


Yeah, when we first got the job, the BBC gave us an idea of what theyd like. But as in common in the design process, ideas get changed and amended over time, and this one has too. Personally, I always thought the current News24 logo was awful - the BBC News logo is hard to see, and the 24 is stranded in a red mess.

My gut instinct is that they will go with the one-line version, but well have to wait another 4 or so weeks.
AS
Asa Admin
insiderdesigner posted:
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.


Unfortunately, many saddos with far too much time on their hands and little in the way of a life spoof IP addresses so these days nothing short of face-to-face or reputable exchange of emails is sufficient. I would like to point out that although insiderdesigner (as well as others here) may well be genuine, this person has chosen not to provide a company email contact and so, as I say with anyone I don't truly know, take all posts citing insider knowledge with a pinch of salt.

That was a Public Information Announcement Wink

Cheers, Asa
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A former member
Asa posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.


Unfortunately, many saddos with far too much time on their hands and little in the way of a life spoof IP addresses so these days nothing short of face-to-face or reputable exchange of emails is sufficient. I would like to point out that although insiderdesigner (as well as others here) may well be genuine, this person has chosen not to provide a company email contact and so, as I say with anyone I don't truly know, take all posts citing insider knowledge with a pinch of salt.

That was a Public Information Announcement Wink

Cheers, Asa


Thanks, Asa. Im not ready yet to provide my email address, but I will two weeks before the relaunch.

But Asa can confirm that my IP address resolves to a major London design agency server. However, as Asa said, I may have spoofed this (although I wouldnt know how to, admittedly, let alone go to the trouble of hacking into a corporate network and using the IP!!!).

But Asa had told me thereve been a lot of spoofs in the past so I can understand his caution.
SN
snarfu
BBC News Resources is actually part of BBC News. They used to be part of BBC Resources.

BBC Resources and BBC Technology are the separate subsidary companies.
CA
cat
James Hatts posted:
Some interesting bits in this interview with Roger Mosey from Tuesday's Independent:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932

Tim Luckhurst in The Independent posted:
Gravitas is central to Mosey's defence of News 24, the BBC's rolling news service. The channel is due to be relaunched within the next six weeks or so, after heavy criticism in an independent report compiled by the former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert, who declared that the channel was "not yet as good as the BBC claims it is".

Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."

So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."

Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."


That's such bull.

Mosey is the worst person I can think of to be let near a 24 hour news channel.

All of this rubbish about broadsheet and tabloid and that "we're better than Sky". He's stuck back in the News Directorate days, whereas most of the people working there are not.

I don't think there are significant amounts of people at BBC News who'd agree with Mosey's assertion that the BBC is in some way entirely pure and better-by-default than its rivals "because it's the BBC".

Opinions formers do not SIGNIFICANTLY prefer it - it was a few percent higher; and the comment that News 24 is really valued by its audience is to suggest that Sky is not... there is absolutely nothing to show that's the case.

A new set is just not going to fix the fundamental problems of the channel.

Anyway, Sky aren't going to sit around and do nothing; I think we can safely safe that much.

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