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..and some from around the world.
I hope the countdown does remain, its something unique to News 24!
me posted:
I do hope that the News 24 rebrand has more of a local feel to it, at the moment all the recognizable images in the countdown are just from London - it'd be really nice to see more images and landmarks from around the UK somehow.
..and some from around the world.
I hope the countdown does remain, its something unique to News 24!
CL
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
and the name of your company is?
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
IN
It will be staying, after all it hasn't been that long since the live action countdowns were introduced. But the music for it will be changed, to fit in with the new music package (think BBC World's current style, with a faster pace).
Hopefully the countdown visuals will be re-edited to fit in more with the new graphic style, i.e. some colours to fit in with the style, better font styling for the seconds on the countdown, placenames etc.
A Major Setup posted:
Will News 24 still have a countdown?
It will be staying, after all it hasn't been that long since the live action countdowns were introduced. But the music for it will be changed, to fit in with the new music package (think BBC World's current style, with a faster pace).
Hopefully the countdown visuals will be re-edited to fit in more with the new graphic style, i.e. some colours to fit in with the style, better font styling for the seconds on the countdown, placenames etc.
BB
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Em yes, one member made one comment so that implies I have a history of it.... unless it's you that's 'pretending' to be someone else.
Also I didn't defend him. If you re-read what I wrote
I actually point out that the titles would come before the music. In no way do I defend this person. I merely point out some information about what he had said.
Big Brother
Founding member
Clapham posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
and the name of your company is?
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Em yes, one member made one comment so that implies I have a history of it.... unless it's you that's 'pretending' to be someone else.
Also I didn't defend him. If you re-read what I wrote
Quote:
Em Isn't it more correct that the titles are made first then the music is created to fit them. Fittng something in time with music is quite difficult and I'm sure I've been taught this on the Graphic Design course I'm on."
I actually point out that the titles would come before the music. In no way do I defend this person. I merely point out some information about what he had said.
:-(
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Look, I dont know you, you dont know me, so how can we tell who each is?
Do you seriously believe that, given the current state of BBC News graphics, that they would be given the job of doing the title sequence for a flagship channel under constant attack from the government? Grow up.
All BBC news are doing is making sure other presentational aspects of our titles are copied in other areas of the channel.
A former member
Clapham posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
and the name of your company is?
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Look, I dont know you, you dont know me, so how can we tell who each is?
Do you seriously believe that, given the current state of BBC News graphics, that they would be given the job of doing the title sequence for a flagship channel under constant attack from the government? Grow up.
All BBC news are doing is making sure other presentational aspects of our titles are copied in other areas of the channel.
CL
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Look, I dont know you, you dont know me, so how can we tell who each is?
Do you seriously believe that, given the current state of BBC News graphics, that they would be given the job of doing the title sequence for a flagship channel under constant attack from the government? Grow up.
All BBC news are doing is making sure other presentational aspects of our titles are copied in other areas of the channel.
But what you and I do know is that you are lying. Now there's only one way I could know that, isn't there?
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
and the name of your company is?
I really dont want to make it public, but if the moderators wish to perform an IP trace, theyll see Im for real.
but the company which is doing the redesign is a matter of public record (see my earlier post on Design Week, Broadcast and Matt Wells' article in the Guardian a couple of months ago) it's BBC News Graphics - until the 1st Oct 2003 part of News Resources, now integrated back into News.
I find it more than a tad suspicious that N24-insider joins the forum on 26 Oct, posts some clearly dubious 'grabs' of the new titles and gets promptly banned, then is quickly replaced by the similar-sounding InsiderDesigner ranting off pretty much the same thing. When I question that he is what he says he is, who comes to his defence? None other than BigBrother - a forum member with schizophrenic tendencies who has a history of pretending to be something other than what he is.
Look, I dont know you, you dont know me, so how can we tell who each is?
Do you seriously believe that, given the current state of BBC News graphics, that they would be given the job of doing the title sequence for a flagship channel under constant attack from the government? Grow up.
All BBC news are doing is making sure other presentational aspects of our titles are copied in other areas of the channel.
But what you and I do know is that you are lying. Now there's only one way I could know that, isn't there?
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
:-(
Grow up, child.
How many fake posters want the moderators to check their IP address with a trace to prove their authenticity? Of course, I would like them not to reveal where I am from to everyone else, but they should have the final word.
A former member
Clapham posted:
But what you and I do know is that you are lying. Now there's only one way I could know that, isn't there?
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
Grow up, child.
How many fake posters want the moderators to check their IP address with a trace to prove their authenticity? Of course, I would like them not to reveal where I am from to everyone else, but they should have the final word.
LO
Some interesting bits in this interview with Roger Mosey from Tuesday's Independent:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932
Tim Luckhurst in The Independent posted:
Gravitas is central to Mosey's defence of News 24, the BBC's rolling news service. The channel is due to be relaunched within the next six weeks or so, after heavy criticism in an independent report compiled by the former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert, who declared that the channel was "not yet as good as the BBC claims it is".
Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."
So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."
Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."
Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."
So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."
Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."
CL
Grow up, child.
How many fake posters want the moderators to check their IP address with a trace to prove their authenticity? Of course, I would like them not to reveal where I am from to everyone else, but they should have the final word.
Bring it on.
I'll post the article from Design Week in the morning
insiderdesigner posted:
Clapham posted:
But what you and I do know is that you are lying. Now there's only one way I could know that, isn't there?
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
I may not know where you work, or what you are working on. But I certainly know what I do...
Grow up, child.
How many fake posters want the moderators to check their IP address with a trace to prove their authenticity? Of course, I would like them not to reveal where I am from to everyone else, but they should have the final word.
Bring it on.
I'll post the article from Design Week in the morning
IN
Ah, more confirmation on new graphics. Let's hope they are re-designed in a way that they don't clutter the frame up, and look better than Sky's but still retaining easy readability and flexibility.
James Hatts posted:
Some interesting bits in this interview with Roger Mosey from Tuesday's Independent:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=457932
Tim Luckhurst in The Independent posted:
Gravitas is central to Mosey's defence of News 24, the BBC's rolling news service. The channel is due to be relaunched within the next six weeks or so, after heavy criticism in an independent report compiled by the former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert, who declared that the channel was "not yet as good as the BBC claims it is".
Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."
So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."
Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."
Mosey insists that most opinion-formers significantly prefer BBC News 24 to Sky News. "The exception is that newspaper newsrooms tend to watch Sky more, and I think there is a fairly obvious reason for that - Sky does sometimes flash [breaking stories] that wouldn't pass the BBC test. I think newsrooms use Sky more as a kind of copy-tasting service, which is perfectly fair, but News 24 is really valued by its audience."
So, how will News 24 react to criticism? A new set, for a start, and seemingly a withdrawal from a head-to-head ratings battle with its rival. "The News 24 set is actually the oldest of the sets we've got. It goes back to 1999. It is lacking in energy, it lacks dynamism. It has got too much beige, and generally speaking it does not show off the channel to best effect. Equally, the graphics are a bit tired and old. We feel that those need to be revamped and relaunched as well."
Mosey acknowledges errors in the marketing of News 24. "There was initially a mistake two or three years back, when we said that we wanted to be the market-leader. A market leader always implies ratings. [But] what we want it to be is a quality choice of news channel. Its primary audience is going to be BBC News loyalists and people who on the whole are broadsheet viewers rather than tabloid viewers."
Ah, more confirmation on new graphics. Let's hope they are re-designed in a way that they don't clutter the frame up, and look better than Sky's but still retaining easy readability and flexibility.