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Charlie Wells Moderator
Aston posted:
Teehehe

A member of the public has complained that there's been "absolutely no difference" since News 24's relaunch on Monday Laughing


Was it George W. Bush?
Laughing
Surely when the see absolutely no difference they realise that it means that there has been no relaunch.
MO
Moz
ukfreetv posted:
News 24 maps have been hopeless in the past. Why are they not in regular use to help show where an OB is coming from? Don't just put up "ROYAL COURTS", show me where they are.


I'd agree that it would be useful if a brief map of where a report is coming from would be useful, as long as it was only brief .

ukfreetv posted:
The point about the headline news is that if almost every viewer can choose N24 then press RED to get to a Headlines loop, there is no point having the headlines on the channel itself all the time. Removing the need for constant headlines would allow for better coverage of breaking news, and the insertion of anlysis programs.


Hang on, your argueing against yourself there! You say News 24 should give more time to breaking and developing news rather than repeating headlines, but then say they should insert long-winded analysis programmes. I think it'd be better to have this analysis available via the red button. Kind of, "For more on this story, press the red button now."

Contrary to what you say, I think that they should offer headlines religiously at 00, 15, 30 and 45, unless something major is actually happening at the time, when they should use the ticker. I want to be able to turn on News 24 whenever I choose and see a summary of the news within 15 minutes. It's a news channel, I want all the news - not just one breaking story.

Too often during breaking news they stick with it, abandoning everything else, even though they're actually just repeating themselves. This is one thing that Sky do well: they're not scared of running a breaking news banner while talking about another story. This way the viewer is aware of the news, and is aware that the channel knows about it and will come back to it shortly. News 24 pop up their banner and take it down as soon as they move on to another story. If you turned on just after they break the news, you've no idea if they are aware of it.
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A former member
But if you want headlines at any time of the day you can go to the news multi screen. And anyway during the week at least there is always a headline summary every 15 minutes.

The idea of having in depth analysis "via the red button" would very likely limit this service purely to those able to receive N24 on DSat.

Regarding the breaking news issue, you never know but this may actually change next week. It hasn't been perfect and I think we can all agree on that but there are occasions when N24 going over it several times can actually be useful if you've missed the report on Sky and want to know the details.
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ukfreetv
Moz posted:
ukfreetv posted:
News 24 maps have been hopeless in the past. Why are they not in regular use to help show where an OB is coming from? Don't just put up "ROYAL COURTS", show me where they are.


I'd agree that it would be useful if a brief map of where a report is coming from would be useful, as long as it was only brief .

ukfreetv posted:
The point about the headline news is that if almost every viewer can choose N24 then press RED to get to a Headlines loop, there is no point having the headlines on the channel itself all the time. Removing the need for constant headlines would allow for better coverage of breaking news, and the insertion of anlysis programs.


Hang on, your argueing against yourself there! You say News 24 should give more time to breaking and developing news rather than repeating headlines, but then say they should insert long-winded analysis programmes. I think it'd be better to have this analysis available via the red button. Kind of, "For more on this story, press the red button now."

Contrary to what you say, I think that they should offer headlines religiously at 00, 15, 30 and 45, unless something major is actually happening at the time, when they should use the ticker. I want to be able to turn on News 24 whenever I choose and see a summary of the news within 15 minutes. It's a news channel, I want all the news - not just one breaking story.

Too often during breaking news they stick with it, abandoning everything else, even though they're actually just repeating themselves. This is one thing that Sky do well: they're not scared of running a breaking news banner while talking about another story. This way the viewer is aware of the news, and is aware that the channel knows about it and will come back to it shortly. News 24 pop up their banner and take it down as soon as they move on to another story. If you turned on just after they break the news, you've no idea if they are aware of it.


What I am saying is that in the daytime, whilst the business and political world is breaking news, that should be the priority. If that means moving the weather, business, sport and headlines then so be it.

Headlines and breaking news are NOT the same thing. Headlines should be moved to the interactive service so they can be got from the same place 24/7/365.

I am not suggesting "long windedness" for it's own sake, but analysis, debate and explanation. Your lumping of the two together suggests that you do not see the need for additional longer-form reporting.

News 24 needs to work alongside the other news outlets and with the political, business and working day.
MO
Moz
JimR posted:
Regarding the breaking news issue, you never know but this may actually change next week. It hasn't been perfect and I think we can all agree on that but there are occasions when N24 going over it several times can actually be useful if you've missed the report on Sky and want to know the details.


Hopefully this is true. I'd like to see all news channels using their ticker for breaking news. Flash it up, stay with it for as long as you need, then shove it down in the ticker - flagged as breaking news by having a different colour ticker - and then come back to it now and again as the story develops.
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SteveL
Lee Stanley posted:
Well I had to post this one... (I'm watching in 4:3 on cable)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/badtalkingmoviestrail.jpg

Hmmm, I saw something a bit like that at 8pm last night:

http://steve.basslinemusic.net/?action=image&image=n24cockup2.jpg

http://steve.basslinemusic.net/?action=image&image=n24cockup.jpg

I changed to watch something else and then came back about a minute later and it wasn't like that any more. Did anyone else see anything like that? I thought at the time it was probably just an error with my box, but if you saw it too Lee, then it may have been an error in N24's output.
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dvboy
Didn't see that - it was just the trail. So I'm guessing it was your box throwing a funny 'un.
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Adam
SteveL posted:
Lee Stanley posted:
Well I had to post this one... (I'm watching in 4:3 on cable)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/r.hardy63/lee/stuff/badtalkingmoviestrail.jpg

Hmmm, I saw something a bit like that at 8pm last night:

http://steve.basslinemusic.net/?action=image&image=n24cockup2.jpg

http://steve.basslinemusic.net/?action=image&image=n24cockup.jpg

I changed to watch something else and then came back about a minute later and it wasn't like that any more. Did anyone else see anything like that? I thought at the time it was probably just an error with my box, but if you saw it too Lee, then it may have been an error in N24's output.


Still probably the box. My Grundig box regularly displays News24 is 16:9 on a 4:3 tv, meaning it's squashed together. I've also had the streched shot like in those pictures.
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Marcus Founding member
May be worth watching at 11pm tonight. News24 viewers should be in for a rare treat Cool
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Londoner
Marcus posted:
May be worth watching at 11pm tonight. News24 viewers should be in for a rare treat Cool


Jaron?!
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A former member
Marcus posted:
May be worth watching at 11pm tonight. News24 viewers should be in for a rare treat Cool


SWEET MARY MOTHER OF JESUS!

They've answered my prayers - Peter Dobbie reading the news nude.
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M@ Founding member
Is Ed the Duck and The Butler going to be presenting?

Ed: Over to you Butler (translated from Quack)

Butler:

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