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A former member
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
Phileas Fogg posted:
RE Angry with BBC News

I'm not sure why BBC News "went dark"...and I want to know why, because I'm suspicious it was some sort of negligence.

This is really bad form -- you'd never see CNN do this.


Absolute tosh.

When the power went in New York, CNN's Time-Life studios, on which they spent millions and millions of pounds, were totally out of use for two days. The best they could do was to have Wolf Blitzer on the phone for hours, later getting him a camera and live position to work with. Programming had to be presented from DC and Atlanta.


Exactly what I said a bit earlier. CNN headquarters are in Atlanta not NY


Erm... no it's not. You didn't say anything about them being without power in New York for two days... I wouldn't have repeated it if you had.


Go back to page 188 and see what I said in context - specifically responding to a comment saying that CNN had no problems due to the power loss in NY. As it was written underneath a quote dealing with the power loss I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.

c@t posted:
And Atlanta have had power problem. A few years back CNN did have major power trouble in Atlanta, knocking most of the channels off air entirely for an afternoon or so.


Which proves the point that no broadcaster, even the "mighty" CNN can have foolproof systems!
CA
cat
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
Phileas Fogg posted:
RE Angry with BBC News

I'm not sure why BBC News "went dark"...and I want to know why, because I'm suspicious it was some sort of negligence.

This is really bad form -- you'd never see CNN do this.


Absolute tosh.

When the power went in New York, CNN's Time-Life studios, on which they spent millions and millions of pounds, were totally out of use for two days. The best they could do was to have Wolf Blitzer on the phone for hours, later getting him a camera and live position to work with. Programming had to be presented from DC and Atlanta.


Exactly what I said a bit earlier. CNN headquarters are in Atlanta not NY


Erm... no it's not. You didn't say anything about them being without power in New York for two days... I wouldn't have repeated it if you had.


Go back to page 188 and see what I said in context - specifically responding to a comment saying that CNN had no problems due to the power loss in NY. As it was written underneath a quote dealing with the power loss I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.

c@t posted:
And Atlanta have had power problem. A few years back CNN did have major power trouble in Atlanta, knocking most of the channels off air entirely for an afternoon or so.


Which proves the point that no broadcaster, even the "mighty" CNN can have foolproof systems!


I have gone back, and I have looked, and you said something to the effect of "CNN are based in Atlanta, so no problem for them" and I was pointing out that a) they are not entirely based in Atlanta and b) they did have problems in New York, and could not, as you asserted, cope with relying on back up power.
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A former member
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
Phileas Fogg posted:
RE Angry with BBC News

I'm not sure why BBC News "went dark"...and I want to know why, because I'm suspicious it was some sort of negligence.

This is really bad form -- you'd never see CNN do this.


Absolute tosh.

When the power went in New York, CNN's Time-Life studios, on which they spent millions and millions of pounds, were totally out of use for two days. The best they could do was to have Wolf Blitzer on the phone for hours, later getting him a camera and live position to work with. Programming had to be presented from DC and Atlanta.


Exactly what I said a bit earlier. CNN headquarters are in Atlanta not NY


Erm... no it's not. You didn't say anything about them being without power in New York for two days... I wouldn't have repeated it if you had.


Go back to page 188 and see what I said in context - specifically responding to a comment saying that CNN had no problems due to the power loss in NY. As it was written underneath a quote dealing with the power loss I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.

c@t posted:
And Atlanta have had power problem. A few years back CNN did have major power trouble in Atlanta, knocking most of the channels off air entirely for an afternoon or so.


Which proves the point that no broadcaster, even the "mighty" CNN can have foolproof systems!


I have gone back, and I have looked, and you said something to the effect of "CNN are based in Atlanta, so no problem for them" and I was pointing out that a) they are not entirely based in Atlanta and b) they did have problems in New York, and could not, as you asserted, cope with relying on back up power.


The assertion that I was responding to on Page 188 was that despite the power problems CNN continued to provide full, comprehensive coverage. To that I commented that this would not be difficult as they have a full news operation in Atlanta (unaffected by the power problems) from which they were able to broadcast. I was not commenting that they had no problems in NY - I'm sure they did.
UK
ukfreetv
Aston posted:
rob posted:
Aston posted:
Teehehe

A member of the public has complained that there's been "absolutely no difference" since News 24's relaunch on Monday Laughing


Where did you find this?


At work Rolling Eyes


This does not suprise me... I wrote to the Guardian about their Ms Bell's comments about N24, and I was told that

Quote:
In our report to which the reader refers, News 24's normal service had resumed by 11 am
LO
Londoner
but that report was wrong too Rolling Eyes
UK
ukfreetv
James Hatts posted:
but that report was wrong too Rolling Eyes

I have put them right...

Quote:
...because I was recovering from an operation I happened to be in front of the TV all day on Friday, I did see what happened to the schedule in detail.

The normal service (with clock and DOG) didn't come back until 18:01, and did not return to the "normal" temporary CSO studio in TC until 4pm. Until this time there was a very limited service (no explanatory graphics, few Astons, a few OB links) from the emergency studio in Millbank, and this started with Darren Jordon and Carrie Gracie from 10:30am. During this time the Emergency "David A" Hardtalk was played out in the 12:30-13:00 period, and between 13:00-13:25 BBC ONE and BBC NEWS 24 networked the same program.

1pm - network with ONE: http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/n24comingnext.jpg
2pm - having a chat at Millbank: http://www.rtsnet.tv/temp/captures/power281103/003.jpg
4pm - CSO-world, no Astons, clock, DOG: http://www.rtsnet.tv/temp/captures/power281103/007.jpg

(For the record, Phillip Hayton ran the show alone on News 24 until 10:30am from the "Breakfast" sofa, with an repeat of the previous night's Hardtalk program between 9:30-9:59, from the 9am junction with BBC ONE). This is also why "Working Lunch" on BBC TWO at 12pm used part of the "Breakfast" set.

12pm - Working Lunch on TWO: http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/wl1.jpg

I firmly agree that you need to keep the beeb's digital case here, but I think may agree that the Hutton process suggests presenting unrepresentative points to the beeb seems to makes it easier for them to divert the public's attention from the substantive ones.

I guess we will all be watching next week's N24 relaunch with critical interest.
MO
Moz
God, I wish the TVC power cut had been put in another thread and this one kept to news about the N24 relaunch.

I couldn't care less about the power cut any more, but people keep posting about it here in a thread which was originally about the launch.

Having a BBC News thread is ridiculous - too big a topic, needs breaking up.

We need this thread to go back to it's original subject, just for the last couple of days anyway!
UK
ukfreetv
Moz posted:

We need this thread to go back to it's original subject, just for the last couple of days anyway!


On the other hand it's hard to split the two subjects as both here and in the press they have been linked...

4 days 21 hours to go... Shocked

So will they fix:
- the dumb "Press Red" text news service that has only a toe in the water of BBC News Online's depth and reputation;
- appalling scheduling against other BBC News programs;
vacuous daytime Business reports;
- the news multiscreen with no access to BBC World or UK regional news output;
- the channel being useless with the sound off

Will they add an early evening Newsnight?
Will the graphics line up on the TV screen?
Will there be maps for things other than the weather?
Will there still be more data and analysis on Newsround?
Will there be an i-tv link into the current news story?

Will they still run headlines at the top of the hour when there is a continuous headlines service on satellite and Freeview?
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A former member
ukfreetv posted:
- the dumb "Press Red" text news service that has only a toe in the water of BBC News Online's depth and reputation;

why spend what would probably be a considerable sum replicating something that a large number of the population already access from their PCs?
ukfreetv posted:
- appalling scheduling against other BBC News programs;

In what respect? If the channel is a rolling news service, then surely they should continue broadcasting a news service regardless what is going on elsewhwere on the BBC.
ukfreetv posted:
- vacuous daytime Business reports;

I hope so!!
ukfreetv posted:
- the news multiscreen with no access to BBC World or UK regional news output;

Would probably only be able to do this for DSat, and why bother?
ukfreetv posted:
- the channel being useless with the sound off

Well, hopefully there'll be more useful onscreen text (which doesn't cover up most of the picture!)
ukfreetv posted:
Will they add an early evening Newsnight?

Why???
ukfreetv posted:
Will the graphics line up on the TV screen?

You mean they don't now??? Laughing Well, if they're updating everything to do with the channel we can but hope....
ukfreetv posted:
Will there be maps for things other than the weather?

I thought there already were... or at least I'm sure there used to be Confused
ukfreetv posted:
Will there still be more data and analysis on Newsround?

Now you're just being silly.....
ukfreetv posted:
Will they still run headlines at the top of the hour when there is a continuous headlines service on satellite and Freeview?

I would have thought so. If you expand this argument too far you might as well turn N24 into a UK version of CNN (with the DSat/ DTT service being the equivalent of Headline News)
LU
Luke
Don't you just love this over-analysation of posts? Rolling Eyes (c) TVForum
CA
cat
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
JimR posted:
c@t posted:
Phileas Fogg posted:
RE Angry with BBC News

I'm not sure why BBC News "went dark"...and I want to know why, because I'm suspicious it was some sort of negligence.

This is really bad form -- you'd never see CNN do this.


Absolute tosh.

When the power went in New York, CNN's Time-Life studios, on which they spent millions and millions of pounds, were totally out of use for two days. The best they could do was to have Wolf Blitzer on the phone for hours, later getting him a camera and live position to work with. Programming had to be presented from DC and Atlanta.


Exactly what I said a bit earlier. CNN headquarters are in Atlanta not NY


Erm... no it's not. You didn't say anything about them being without power in New York for two days... I wouldn't have repeated it if you had.


Go back to page 188 and see what I said in context - specifically responding to a comment saying that CNN had no problems due to the power loss in NY. As it was written underneath a quote dealing with the power loss I didn't feel the need to repeat myself.

c@t posted:
And Atlanta have had power problem. A few years back CNN did have major power trouble in Atlanta, knocking most of the channels off air entirely for an afternoon or so.


Which proves the point that no broadcaster, even the "mighty" CNN can have foolproof systems!


I have gone back, and I have looked, and you said something to the effect of "CNN are based in Atlanta, so no problem for them" and I was pointing out that a) they are not entirely based in Atlanta and b) they did have problems in New York, and could not, as you asserted, cope with relying on back up power.


The assertion that I was responding to on Page 188 was that despite the power problems CNN continued to provide full, comprehensive coverage. To that I commented that this would not be difficult as they have a full news operation in Atlanta (unaffected by the power problems) from which they were able to broadcast. I was not commenting that they had no problems in NY - I'm sure they did.


Right - just to clarify... it was suggested that CNN provided comprehensive coverage; you said something to the effect of "not difficult, they're based in Atlanta"; the point I was making was that it was difficult, they didn't provide comprehensive coverage, and they aren't solely based in Atlanta.

Now we have cleared that up, shall we go back to the News 24 relaunch?!

I saw last evening a business round up by Julia Caesar (still the best name on television, though challenged by Flip Spiceland) and I presume this was the business round up they have been talking about as part of the new look. What on earth is new about it? It's just like a regular business round up, but with Julia Caesar.

Surely has to be something more to it than that?
UK
ukfreetv
JimR posted:
ukfreetv posted:
- the dumb "Press Red" text news service that has only a toe in the water of BBC News Online's depth and reputation;

why spend what would probably be a considerable sum replicating something that a large number of the population already access from their PCs?
ukfreetv posted:
- appalling scheduling against other BBC News programs;

In what respect? If the channel is a rolling news service, then surely they should continue broadcasting a news service regardless what is going on elsewhwere on the BBC.
ukfreetv posted:
- vacuous daytime Business reports;

I hope so!!
ukfreetv posted:
- the news multiscreen with no access to BBC World or UK regional news output;

Would probably only be able to do this for DSat, and why bother?
ukfreetv posted:
- the channel being useless with the sound off

Well, hopefully there'll be more useful onscreen text (which doesn't cover up most of the picture!)
ukfreetv posted:
Will they add an early evening Newsnight?

Why???
ukfreetv posted:
Will the graphics line up on the TV screen?

You mean they don't now??? Laughing Well, if they're updating everything to do with the channel we can but hope....
ukfreetv posted:
Will there be maps for things other than the weather?

I thought there already were... or at least I'm sure there used to be Confused
ukfreetv posted:
Will there still be more data and analysis on Newsround?

Now you're just being silly.....
ukfreetv posted:
Will they still run headlines at the top of the hour when there is a continuous headlines service on satellite and Freeview?

I would have thought so. If you expand this argument too far you might as well turn N24 into a UK version of CNN (with the DSat/DTT service being the equivalent of Headline News)


Why waste money producing two text news services, one for TV and one for the Internet, when you could save money by making the latter aviliable on the former?

Why run a rolling news channel that is ONLY aviliable alongside the other BBC channels, on Freeview, satellite, analogue and digital cable. It isn't a rolling news channel at the weekends, and what is the point of a rolling news channel offering an almost identical service to a much-more-watched mainstream channel? Just saying "oh but it's supposed to be rolling news" just makes it end up being a low-rent Sky News or CNN.

An early evening analysis program with proper interviews and discussions would offer an public-service alternative and introduce more "current affairs" into News 24.

News 24 maps have been hopeless in the past. Why are they not in regular use to help show where an OB is coming from? Don't just put up "ROYAL COURTS", show me where they are.

The point about the headline news is that if almost every viewer can choose N24 then press RED to get to a Headlines loop, there is no point having the headlines on the channel itself all the time. Removing the need for constant headlines would allow for better coverage of breaking news, and the insertion of anlysis programs.

IMHO pressing Red on N24 should avoid "the bridge" and bring up the headlines loop, with a scroller across the bottom. There should then be one button access to the main N24 feed, and one other button to go to text about the story being mentioned in the feed. Why complicate things?

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