CW
It was mentioned yes, but I think that's rather a feeble excuse. The clock carried on in some form until 3 1/2 years after digital TV started. At one time, two different clock generators were in use alongside each other on the network. Nations had their own clock generators. The English regional clocks were nothing more than recordings of certain times that were only as accurate as the person who cued them up. All of this probably did introduce very slight inaccuracies, not just between analogue and digital, but between different regions of BBC1, but that doesn't matter.
All that matters is that a clock is seen to tick over to a specific time before a news programme starts (in this respect I think more basic clock generators which don't move the minute hand constantly unlike the one they used from 1991-2000 (on analogue) are actually better - it's more satisfying to see a hard tick over to a time). Even if they let things slip and start the news programmes on non-exact times, that doesn't matter either. The authority a clock brings to an announcement (in the past it was used for more than just news) cannot be matched by an ident (especially not by those idents).
Anyway, supposedly there was a clock designed with the BBC1 dancers, it just never got implemented (although I doubt there actually is one up and running ready to use).
cwathen
Founding member
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I was always under the impression that the reason the clock disappeared originally was because it wouldn't necessarially give the exact time due to the technology (and resultant time delay) involved in decoding digital TV signals.
It was mentioned yes, but I think that's rather a feeble excuse. The clock carried on in some form until 3 1/2 years after digital TV started. At one time, two different clock generators were in use alongside each other on the network. Nations had their own clock generators. The English regional clocks were nothing more than recordings of certain times that were only as accurate as the person who cued them up. All of this probably did introduce very slight inaccuracies, not just between analogue and digital, but between different regions of BBC1, but that doesn't matter.
All that matters is that a clock is seen to tick over to a specific time before a news programme starts (in this respect I think more basic clock generators which don't move the minute hand constantly unlike the one they used from 1991-2000 (on analogue) are actually better - it's more satisfying to see a hard tick over to a time). Even if they let things slip and start the news programmes on non-exact times, that doesn't matter either. The authority a clock brings to an announcement (in the past it was used for more than just news) cannot be matched by an ident (especially not by those idents).
Anyway, supposedly there was a clock designed with the BBC1 dancers, it just never got implemented (although I doubt there actually is one up and running ready to use).
:-(
A former member
Oooh... found a new picture (plus a report) at BBC news!
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BBC News online report
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BBC News online report
NS
It really wouldn't be worth the effort of moving to N9 just for one weekend, so I wouldn't expect them to...
You may be surprised! Remember lots of other stuff has to be re-set in time for Monday - including stuff in use in TC10.
NickyS
Founding member
Aston posted:
Davidjb posted:
Just out of interest, will News 24 use TC10 this weekend or will they use N9 to give the impression the new set was built over the weekend?
It really wouldn't be worth the effort of moving to N9 just for one weekend, so I wouldn't expect them to...
You may be surprised! Remember lots of other stuff has to be re-set in time for Monday - including stuff in use in TC10.
MO
Notice the red part of the desk is transparent!
The 'newsroom' in the back looks very similar to the excuse for a newsroom that they had before.
JimR posted:
Oooh... found a new picture (plus a report) at BBC news!
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/_39529564_new_news24.jpg
BBC News online report
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/_39529564_new_news24.jpg
BBC News online report
Notice the red part of the desk is transparent!
The 'newsroom' in the back looks very similar to the excuse for a newsroom that they had before.
MO
As was said, parts of the old set were used to "mock up" the background to the new set when all of it wasn't ready. Whether this is the case, I don't know.
Hope so!
I still think it looks a lot like the old set though, just with a new desk and new screens and a bit of a paint-job. The way the background curves around the desk is the same as before. I think it would have been much better if the wall behind them was clear.
I do like it, but it's not the change I expected.
Hope the graphics are good!
DAS posted:
Moz posted:
The 'newsroom' in the back looks very similar to the excuse for a newsroom that they had before.
As was said, parts of the old set were used to "mock up" the background to the new set when all of it wasn't ready. Whether this is the case, I don't know.
Hope so!
I still think it looks a lot like the old set though, just with a new desk and new screens and a bit of a paint-job. The way the background curves around the desk is the same as before. I think it would have been much better if the wall behind them was clear.
I do like it, but it's not the change I expected.
Hope the graphics are good!
MD
It really wouldn't be worth the effort of moving to N9 just for one weekend, so I wouldn't expect them to...
You may be surprised! Remember lots of other stuff has to be re-set in time for Monday - including stuff in use in TC10.
Nicky will we be seeing any changes to the national news on monday? New Titles and Music?
NickyS posted:
Aston posted:
Davidjb posted:
Just out of interest, will News 24 use TC10 this weekend or will they use N9 to give the impression the new set was built over the weekend?
It really wouldn't be worth the effort of moving to N9 just for one weekend, so I wouldn't expect them to...
You may be surprised! Remember lots of other stuff has to be re-set in time for Monday - including stuff in use in TC10.
Nicky will we be seeing any changes to the national news on monday? New Titles and Music?
CC
Broadcast is saying there are 3 zones in the studio - including one just for presenting breaking news stories.
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The BBC's former media correspondent Nick Higham is to present a new nightly analysis slot on BBC News 24 as part of the channel's revamp which goes live on Monday (1 December).
Higham, who left his media brief earlier this month after stating he was "under-employed", will become the channel's "chief analyst", fronting the thrice daily Nick Higham's Fact File, in which he will explain in more detail the major story of the day.
"It will look at where the facts are in the story and it will encourage people to ask questions more," said BBC head of television news Roger Mosey.
The move is part of a bid to inject more analysis into the channel following the Lambert report into its workings last year.
Other changes include making more use of the BBC's network of 1,200 regional journalists and the breaking of more local stories.
A new set - designed by Simon Jaygo who also worked on Five and Channel 4's new looks as well as ITV's upcoming revamp - will feature three zones with state-of-the-art digital projection screens and space for presenters to move around. One of the zones will be used to present breaking news while viewers will be alerted by new graphics and sounds.
Mosey said the revamp would update the channel - which costs around £50m a year - although it would keep its more upmarket feel. "We want to be the best recognised and the best quality news channel in the UK," he said.
News 24 currently pulls in a weekly reach of 4.2 million multichannel viewers compared with 4.8 million for Sky News and 2.3 million for the ITV News Channel. In the report - ordered by media secretary Tessa Jowell - former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert called on the channel to give more time to foreign stories, make more use of its regional resources and break more news.
Higham, who left his media brief earlier this month after stating he was "under-employed", will become the channel's "chief analyst", fronting the thrice daily Nick Higham's Fact File, in which he will explain in more detail the major story of the day.
"It will look at where the facts are in the story and it will encourage people to ask questions more," said BBC head of television news Roger Mosey.
The move is part of a bid to inject more analysis into the channel following the Lambert report into its workings last year.
Other changes include making more use of the BBC's network of 1,200 regional journalists and the breaking of more local stories.
A new set - designed by Simon Jaygo who also worked on Five and Channel 4's new looks as well as ITV's upcoming revamp - will feature three zones with state-of-the-art digital projection screens and space for presenters to move around. One of the zones will be used to present breaking news while viewers will be alerted by new graphics and sounds.
Mosey said the revamp would update the channel - which costs around £50m a year - although it would keep its more upmarket feel. "We want to be the best recognised and the best quality news channel in the UK," he said.
News 24 currently pulls in a weekly reach of 4.2 million multichannel viewers compared with 4.8 million for Sky News and 2.3 million for the ITV News Channel. In the report - ordered by media secretary Tessa Jowell - former Financial Times editor Richard Lambert called on the channel to give more time to foreign stories, make more use of its regional resources and break more news.