I'm have growing regret for posting any information for forum members, and growing reluctance to post any more information I may have for you before Monday.
Spitting out the dummy won't endear you either. I happen to walk past a BBC building usually so tomorrow I might nip in a see if they have a copy...
Good for you!
Asa - there's the added bonus that Row may shut up if you post it.
[Surely you know too well how simply raising you opinion can get bogged down in a ten page arguement.
We're not interested in your opinion - we want the facts!
There are few more annoying things than someone alluding to information and not sharing it.
If you were a BBC insider and you'd received the information in confidence then I'd understand - but you're just a student (nowt wrong with that - so am I ) and it's in the public domain.
There are many good (legal) reasons for not posting complete articles from publications on a forum, but the excuses you have offered are specious and your drip-feeding of publicly available information is utterly infuriating.
You may have thought you were making yourself look grown-up and well-connected, but your antics have proved the opposite to be the case.
Bah, so much for Rod's contacts, he just drip feeds what he reads out of Ariel. I suggest that Rod's "contacts" are no more believable than the pixies in the back garden. In fact that's probably who they are.
I'm have growing regret for posting any information for forum members, and growing reluctance to post any more information I may have for you before Monday.
Spitting out the dummy won't endear you either. I happen to walk past a BBC building usually so tomorrow I might nip in a see if they have a copy...
Good for you!
Asa - there's the added bonus that Row may shut up if you post it.
Adam, you really need to work on those insults.
Sir Richard Rotcod posted:
RTS posted:
[Surely you know too well how simply raising you opinion can get bogged down in a ten page arguement.
We're not interested in your opinion - we want the facts!
There are few more annoying things than someone alluding to information and not sharing it.
If you were a BBC insider and you'd received the information in confidence then I'd understand - but you're just a student (nowt wrong with that - so am I ) and it's in the public domain.
There are many good (legal) reasons for not posting complete articles from publications on a forum, but the excuses you have offered are specious and your drip-feeding of publicly available information is utterly infuriating.
You may have thought you were making yourself look grown-up and well-connected, but your antics have proved the opposite to be the case.
So after all this, why on earth should I give you any of the facts...
I'm not saying I should've had offers of holiday home's in the Caribbean, but the opposite, rudeness, isn't really the oxygen I need to make the effort to participate further!
Square Eyes posted:
Bah, so much for Rod's contacts, he just drip feeds what he reads out of Ariel. I suggest that Rod's "contacts" are no more believable than the pixies in the back garden. In fact that's probably who they are.
Don't diss pixies. I have a lot of respect for them.
I'm have growing regret for posting any information for forum members, and growing reluctance to post any more information I may have for you before Monday.
Spitting out the dummy won't endear you either. I happen to walk past a BBC building usually so tomorrow I might nip in a see if they have a copy...
Good for you!
Asa - there's the added bonus that Row may shut up if you post it.
Adam, you really need to work on those insults.
Sir Richard Rotcod posted:
RTS posted:
[Surely you know too well how simply raising you opinion can get bogged down in a ten page arguement.
We're not interested in your opinion - we want the facts!
There are few more annoying things than someone alluding to information and not sharing it.
If you were a BBC insider and you'd received the information in confidence then I'd understand - but you're just a student (nowt wrong with that - so am I ) and it's in the public domain.
There are many good (legal) reasons for not posting complete articles from publications on a forum, but the excuses you have offered are specious and your drip-feeding of publicly available information is utterly infuriating.
You may have thought you were making yourself look grown-up and well-connected, but your antics have proved the opposite to be the case.
So after all this, why on earth should I give you any of the facts...
I'm not saying I should've had offers of holiday home's in the Caribbean, but the opposite, rudeness, isn't really the oxygen I need to make the effort to participate further!
We don't want you to participate further!
And thanks for your comment on my 'insults'. It wasn't unfortunately. If I was good at insults I would have thrown many more at you. So why don't you say t'rah and skip along on your merry way.
I'm not saying I should've had offers of holiday home's in the Caribbean, but the opposite, rudeness, isn't really the oxygen I need to make the effort to participate further!
YOU accuse US of rudeness!
What do you expect after the patronising way you have treated everyone
To quote Phil: "don't talk out of your bottom, young man"
I'm not saying I should've had offers of holiday home's in the Caribbean, but the opposite, rudeness, isn't really the oxygen I need to make the effort to participate further!
YOU accuse US of rudeness!
What do you expect after the patronising way you have treated everyone
As it's available to the public (and will probably be reported in the Guardian tomorrow anyway) here are the two Ariel articles. The only thing missing is the logo itself, to which the second story refers, because the electronic version of the paper doesn't have pictures.
Quote:
News with added impact
Next Monday BBC News 24 gets a dynamic new look and changes in reporting with more stories from around the UK and a confident claim to be the one to watch
by Cathy Loughran
Prepare for the arrival of in-your-face rolling television news. BBC News 24 is about to shout louder about its breaking stories and play harder to its regional strengths with dynamic images of life across the UK in the countdown to the hourly bulletin.
A whole range of changes comes into effect next Monday in a comprehensive rebranding of the channel and a rethink of its presentation and content.
Editorially, stronger partnerships with colleagues in nations and regions aim to build a more distinctive, less diary, less metropolitan-driven agenda, and new relationships with sport and business journalists will bring them more centrally into the channel.
The new presentation of breaking news, with bigger, bolder graphics to alert viewers, is aimed at changing perceptions that News 24 lags behind Sky on the big stories, says Rachel Attwell, channel controller and deputy head of television news. The government-commissioned Lambert report recommended that News 24 should compete more robustly with Sky to be ‘first to air’.
‘There’s a perception that we’re slower off the mark, but research doesn’t bear that out. Sometimes we’re ahead, sometimes Sky is, it’s about 50-50, although our priority remains quality over pure speed,’ says Attwell.
‘But the way we’ve been expressing breaking news on-screen has not been conspicuous enough. Lots of people watch News 24 in offices with the sound turned down. From next week we’ll be totally unapologetic about grabbing their attention.’
Ten O’Clock News editor Mark Popescu has spent the last few months developing partnerships in nations and regions, sport, business and BBC World which will allow News 24 to take advantage of BBC resources to deliver a service that’s ‘more interesting and more energetic’.
‘The channel hasn’t punched its weight in accessing these resources and this is about better lines of communication. If a story breaks or reaches a conclusion mid-afternoon in Plymouth, we’ll go straight there and then trail the local service on air,’ he says.
Picking up early on national trends and not missing stories outside London will be other spin-offs, he hopes: ‘Take something like the council tax protests. We only did that story when there were protests in London, although there had been demonstrations before then on the south coast and elsewhere.’
Changes to business coverage will see Julia Caesar from BBC World joining the channel in the afternoons for a chatty, accessible catch-up. Another new addition will be the daily Fact File, with Nick Higham tapping into BBC research and analysis to dig deeper behind a story of the day.
‘After a difficult birth, we’re growing News 24 into something genuinely distinctive,’ says Attwell.
The omens are good for the new look channel. Latest audience figures show that News 24 stole a lead on Sky in October for the first time since June 2002, with weekly reach of 7.4m against Sky’s 7.3m.
On-screen branding for sister channel BBC World will reflect the new look, also from December 1.
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This is the new look News 24 branding – dramatic, swirling reds and oranges against a stark black background – and created in-house by a news resources design team led by Paula Thompson.
For the first time, titles and 3-D graphics will be rendered live, with a fresh headline circling the globe every hour, the globe tilted to show the part of the world where the big story’s happening. Bigger, bolder text straps will roll out smoothly in the lower screen and for breaking news, the team has devised a graphics sting which will fill the entire screen.
The ‘transparent’ set, designed by Simon Jago, backs onto glass walls, through which the rebuilt newsroom is visible. Decanting the entire News 24 operation to TC10 while they completed the massive technical refit on the second floor of TV Centre was just one hurdle for the news production facilities team under Alan Whiston. The installation includes latest editing and graphics kit.
And so after this little drama, aer you going to share the remaining contents of Ariel with us Rod???
News with added impact
Next Monday BBC News 24 gets a dynamic new look and changes in reporting with more stories from around the UK and a confident claim to be the one to watch
by Cathy Loughran
Prepare for the arrival of in-your-face rolling television news. BBC News 24 is about to shout louder about its breaking stories and play harder to its regional strengths with dynamic images of life across the UK in the countdown to the hourly bulletin.
A whole range of changes comes into effect next Monday in a comprehensive rebranding of the channel and a rethink of its presentation and content.
Editorially, stronger partnerships with colleagues in nations and regions aim to build a more distinctive, less diary, less metropolitan-driven agenda, and new relationships with sport and business journalists will bring them more centrally into the channel.
The new presentation of breaking news, with bigger, bolder graphics to alert viewers, is aimed at changing perceptions that News 24 lags behind Sky on the big stories, says Rachel Attwell, channel controller and deputy head of television news. The government-commissioned Lambert report recommended that News 24 should compete more robustly with Sky to be ‘first to air’.
‘There’s a perception that we’re slower off the mark, but research doesn’t bear that out. Sometimes we’re ahead, sometimes Sky is, it’s about 50-50, although our priority remains quality over pure speed,’ says Attwell.
‘But the way we’ve been expressing breaking news on-screen has not been conspicuous enough. Lots of people watch News 24 in offices with the sound turned down. From next week we’ll be totally unapologetic about grabbing their attention.’
Ten O’Clock News editor Mark Popescu has spent the last few months developing partnerships in nations and regions, sport, business and BBC World which will allow News 24 to take advantage of BBC resources to deliver a service that’s ‘more interesting and more energetic’.
‘The channel hasn’t punched its weight in accessing these resources and this is about better lines of communication. If a story breaks or reaches a conclusion mid-afternoon in Plymouth, we’ll go straight there and then trail the local service on air,’ he says.
Picking up early on national trends and not missing stories outside London will be other spin-offs, he hopes: ‘Take something like the council tax protests. We only did that story when there were protests in London, although there had been demonstrations before then on the south coast and elsewhere.’
Changes to business coverage will see Julia Caesar from BBC World joining the channel in the afternoons for a chatty, accessible catch-up. Another new addition will be the daily Fact File, with Nick Higham tapping into BBC research and analysis to dig deeper behind a story of the day.
‘After a difficult birth, we’re growing News 24 into something genuinely distinctive,’ says Attwell.
The omens are good for the new look channel. Latest audience figures show that News 24 stole a lead on Sky in October for the first time since June 2002, with weekly reach of 7.4m against Sky’s 7.3m.
On-screen branding for sister channel BBC World will reflect the new look, also from December 1.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the new look News 24 branding – dramatic, swirling reds and oranges against a stark black background – and created in-house by a news resources design team led by Paula Thompson.
For the first time, titles and 3-D graphics will be rendered live, with a fresh headline circling the globe every hour, the globe tilted to show the part of the world where the big story’s happening. Bigger, bolder text straps will roll out smoothly in the lower screen and for breaking news, the team has devised a graphics sting which will fill the entire screen.
The ‘transparent’ set, designed by Simon Jago, backs onto glass walls, through which the rebuilt newsroom is visible. Decanting the entire News 24 operation to TC10 while they completed the massive technical refit on the second floor of TV Centre was just one hurdle for the news production facilities team under Alan Whiston. The installation includes latest editing and graphics kit.
And so after this little drama, aer you going to share the remaining contents of Ariel with us Rod???
News with added impact
Next Monday BBC News 24 gets a dynamic new look and changes in reporting with more stories from around the UK and a confident claim to be the one to watch
by Cathy Loughran
Prepare for the arrival of in-your-face rolling television news. BBC News 24 is about to shout louder about its breaking stories and play harder to its regional strengths with dynamic images of life across the UK in the countdown to the hourly bulletin.
A whole range of changes comes into effect next Monday in a comprehensive rebranding of the channel and a rethink of its presentation and content.
Editorially, stronger partnerships with colleagues in nations and regions aim to build a more distinctive, less diary, less metropolitan-driven agenda, and new relationships with sport and business journalists will bring them more centrally into the channel.
The new presentation of breaking news, with bigger, bolder graphics to alert viewers, is aimed at changing perceptions that News 24 lags behind Sky on the big stories, says Rachel Attwell, channel controller and deputy head of television news. The government-commissioned Lambert report recommended that News 24 should compete more robustly with Sky to be ‘first to air’.
‘There’s a perception that we’re slower off the mark, but research doesn’t bear that out. Sometimes we’re ahead, sometimes Sky is, it’s about 50-50, although our priority remains quality over pure speed,’ says Attwell.
‘But the way we’ve been expressing breaking news on-screen has not been conspicuous enough. Lots of people watch News 24 in offices with the sound turned down. From next week we’ll be totally unapologetic about grabbing their attention.’
Ten O’Clock News editor Mark Popescu has spent the last few months developing partnerships in nations and regions, sport, business and BBC World which will allow News 24 to take advantage of BBC resources to deliver a service that’s ‘more interesting and more energetic’.
‘The channel hasn’t punched its weight in accessing these resources and this is about better lines of communication. If a story breaks or reaches a conclusion mid-afternoon in Plymouth, we’ll go straight there and then trail the local service on air,’ he says.
Picking up early on national trends and not missing stories outside London will be other spin-offs, he hopes: ‘Take something like the council tax protests. We only did that story when there were protests in London, although there had been demonstrations before then on the south coast and elsewhere.’
Changes to business coverage will see Julia Caesar from BBC World joining the channel in the afternoons for a chatty, accessible catch-up. Another new addition will be the daily Fact File, with Nick Higham tapping into BBC research and analysis to dig deeper behind a story of the day.
‘After a difficult birth, we’re growing News 24 into something genuinely distinctive,’ says Attwell.
The omens are good for the new look channel. Latest audience figures show that News 24 stole a lead on Sky in October for the first time since June 2002, with weekly reach of 7.4m against Sky’s 7.3m.
On-screen branding for sister channel BBC World will reflect the new look, also from December 1.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the new look News 24 branding – dramatic, swirling reds and oranges against a stark black background – and created in-house by a news resources design team led by Paula Thompson.
For the first time, titles and 3-D graphics will be rendered live, with a fresh headline circling the globe every hour, the globe tilted to show the part of the world where the big story’s happening. Bigger, bolder text straps will roll out smoothly in the lower screen and for breaking news, the team has devised a graphics sting which will fill the entire screen.
The ‘transparent’ set, designed by Simon Jago, backs onto glass walls, through which the rebuilt newsroom is visible. Decanting the entire News 24 operation to TC10 while they completed the massive technical refit on the second floor of TV Centre was just one hurdle for the news production facilities team under Alan Whiston. The installation includes latest editing and graphics kit.
Why have you posted it too?! Trying to get Respect? Bah!
