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(December 2003)

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HA
harshy Founding member
moss posted:
noggin posted:
snarfu posted:
From what I heard the reason why the ticker looks jerky is the same reason why the opening graphics look jerky - It is rendered live and unlike other news channels is not pre-rendered. I guess this means they can do updates a lot quicker - ie instantly


Hmm - there is no reason why rendering live should make it jerky... The jerkiness is just a symptom of using a cheap PC solution rather than something designed to work at broadcast quality...


Bit of a shame really - the jerkiness in the opening titles and ticker is one of the few areas the look of the channel is a let down. It's a shame to spoil such a fantastic idea for the opening titles...



(Mind you, I'm not too keen on the tower, either; it's too big, and doesn't work that well when it's on it's own in 16:9. But they were never going to get rid of some form of DOG, and it's certainly better than the previous one, being more integrated with the rest of the graphics.)

In a way, it's exciting, knowing that something may go wrong with the titles! Wink mind you, I've only really seen it be very very jerky once, perhaps they should a broadcast quality PC rather then one with only 128MB of memory! Razz
MO
moss Founding member
It's not just the jerkiness in the opening titles - the actual resolution of the headline text doesn't look too good, either...
BB
Big Brother Founding member
I don't think the titles are that bad.... to be honest they're quite good considering it's 3D graphics being rendered live on screen. Or something to that effect.

Not that it's quite the same but from the 3D Work I've done it can take an age to render a single frame.
MO
moss Founding member
I'm sure if they had the right equipment it could look as smooth and well-rendered as the BBC NEWS logo pre-rendered version does. It's not as though the resolution needed is particularly high - it's only a TV piccy...

I hasten to add that the only reason it annoys me is that if this was fixed, I'd have no fault at all - the opening titles are marvellously designed.
:-(
A former member
11amGMT on World - someone managed to fade out the presenter microphone during the first sentence of the first story - what a shame there isn't a dedicated sound operator so you can get a more reliable quality of output.

(COMMENT CONSIDERED BY SOME TO BE OFFENSIVE REMOVED)
DO
Dog
drew posted:
11amGMT on World - someone managed to fade out the presenter microphone during the first sentence of the first story - presumably they went for the wrong fader when going to fade out the theme... impressive stuff from someone who does that for a living - it's not rocket science.


To post that someone in a ***very*** busy news gallery has faded out the wrong source during a headline is just extremly sad. There is nothing you can say in your defence.

How do you know that there wasn't a technical problem?

I do hope that in whatever job you do, that you've never, ever made the tiniest of mistake. But ofcourse, you're perfect, so you never make simple errors that; at the end of the day; really don't matter.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
That goes a little further than what I was going to say, but I fully agree with your sentiments Dog.
MO
moss Founding member
To be fair, I think the only reason people are a bit sensitive towards that sort of thing on News 24 is because it seems to happen so damn often. I know technical problems are to be expected on a channel with so much live output, but Sky News never has so many technical problems as N24.

Not that I'm blaming the technical staff of N24 for this; they have far less people working in the gallery than Sky, so there would be more problems. And things do appear to be getting a bit better recently. It's just a bit unfortunate, that's all...
:-(
A former member
It's a shame the sound operators on World & News 24 have to work in current conditions - I'm sure it doesn't help them show the best of their abilities.

(AGAIN - EDITED TO REMOVE REMARK BECAUSE WE CAN'T CRITICISE PEOPLE WHO MAKE BASIC MISTAKES)
MA
marksi
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Sadly, justifying and discussing things to this extent blows the original issue out of proportion but I'm afraid, Dog, this really *isn't* a mistake a consumate professional makes! Please.. ask one!


It is, however, a mistake a human being makes, in the same way that every human being can and does make mistakes. If anyone's blowing it out of proportion Drew, it's you.
:-(
A former member
Honestly - you would think I was the first on this forum to criticise someone for make a basic mistake!!
MA
Marcus Founding member
drew posted:
Moss - It is unfortunate as you say - if they are understaffed they may be undertrained too!
Gavin - I accept that you don't agree with my point - but I'll try to justify now.
Dog - I won't be rude back to you. But unless you have dealt with live mixing in any serious capacity then I dispute your suggestion that I cannot post anything in my defence since I have worked with live programmes for many years so have a basis on which to suggest that this is very poor.


Drew, I agree with you that it is not the finest example of sound mixing. However maybe you should look at how News24 and World work before condemning someone so throughly.

There are many reasons why the sound is sometimes poor on both channels.

Firstly there is no separate sound gallery. It is often very noisy and very difficult to monitor the channel properly.

Secondly the sound mixer is not just mixing sound. They are often setting up outside sources, sorting out server problems or talking to DTL guests. The chances are the soundmixer who was mixing at the top of the hour was also trying to sort out the clip details for the first package so that there wasn't a nasty hole after the presenter finished the cue. There is a limit to how many jobs one person can do at once and often it's the sound which suffers.

Thirdly there are not dedicated sound mixers on these channels. A lot of the time they use directors who are more used to calling shots than pushing faders. Sound in TV is given a very low status and there is an attitude from above that anyone can do it if it saves a bit of money.

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