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BBC News 24 Relaunch

(December 2003)

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Re-it-er-ate
I thought Simon was quite good. He seemed a little less depressed then he did on Sky - but I wonder if this will be maintained! Mind you, working with that awful Jules Botfield doll is enough to make anyone depressed.

I think Simon is much better Dermot, but not quite as good as Bill. So leave Bill on Fri - Sun, and put Simon on mainstream - him and Natasha can have a reunion.
JO
joy210
Re-it-er-ate posted:
I thought Simon was quite good. He seemed a little less depressed then he did on Sky - but I wonder if this will be maintained! Mind you, working with that awful Jules Botfield doll is enough to make anyone depressed.

I think Simon is much better Dermot, but not quite as good as Bill. So leave Bill on Fri - Sun, and put Simon on mainstream - him and Natasha can have a reunion.


Where would Dermot go? The 1 'o' clock news Confused:
RE
Re-it-er-ate
joy210 posted:
Re-it-er-ate posted:
I thought Simon was quite good. He seemed a little less depressed then he did on Sky - but I wonder if this will be maintained! Mind you, working with that awful Jules Botfield doll is enough to make anyone depressed.

I think Simon is much better Dermot, but not quite as good as Bill. So leave Bill on Fri - Sun, and put Simon on mainstream - him and Natasha can have a reunion.


Where would Dermot go? The 1 'o' clock news Confused:


ermm....well I think he would make a very good special correspondant / presenter - who went to locations and presented events live around the globe when things happened - I seem to remember he was very good at the Concorde specials he did. That way he would be better used, Breakfast would be better and other people more suited can step in.
HA
harshy Founding member
Damn I missed Simon's appearance.

Anyway looking at BBC World's astons and News 24's astons, I think World just edge it as they have different varients of this aston(the asia today one wow!), while News 24 have stuck with the default scheme, I have noticed they are making the bottom bit transparent, like's World, only it's not so transparent!

Also what astons are Business Today using, one day they use World Business Report ones, next day they go back to the standard red ones, anyone inside the BBC know's what's going on there?
JA
Jakarta
Since Breakfast has a total of 6 presenters now, does this mean that Michael Peschardt is out of a summer job?
DA
DAS Founding member
intheknow posted:
Dan posted:
intheknow posted:
this morning BBC Two are taking the news multiscreen N24 feed with a static BBC News tower


But you can still see another tower animating behind it every now and again, and it stays on all the time, including occasions when it looks ridiculous.


Indeed - plus it doesn't disappear during the weather and trailers. It`s a bit silly, especially when News 24 can switch the logo on their tower to a generic BBC News one for the duration of a simulcast.


This all comes down to the first ever point I made about the relaunch...

While the pretty rotating and animating TOG looks very nice, is it really worth all the effort and visual mess for a little bit of animation? If the TOG/ DOG were made static and generated in the same way as the previous DOG, all these problems about who sees what when and how would be completely eliminated.
RE
Re-it-er-ate
Yes it is worth it. "Visual mess" - all you really see is the edge of another tower moving out perhaps once every half hour. its barely noticeable, and bearing in mind the astons keep failing, the presenters look at the wrong cameras and the TOTH idents fail 60% of the time - its hardly the most pressing presentation issue to be sorted out.
DA
DAS Founding member
Re-it-er-ate posted:
Yes it is worth it. "Visual mess" - all you really see is the edge of another tower moving out perhaps once every half hour. its barely noticeable, and bearing in mind the astons keep failing, the presenters look at the wrong cameras and the TOTH idents fail 60% of the time - its hardly the most pressing presentation issue to be sorted out.


Well perhaps reverting to a static generated DOG would allow a greater concentration on the areas you have highlighted, instead of worrying about de-animating the DOG in time for the weather or animating it in on time to obscure the BBC World one? I would say it is a bigger problem than seeing the edges "once every half hour". As Dan has already said, it shouldn't be like that in the first place.
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Re-it-er-ate
I know it shouldnt be like that - but i do think its animation and rotating globe is good. It would be much easier, as was said earlier, was that if a simulcast was taking place to have a generic BBC NEWS tower.
HA
harshy Founding member
I like the animating tower, I wouldn't touch it!
TW
Turnbull and Williams
Re-it-er-ate posted:
I thought Simon was quite good. He seemed a little less depressed then he did on Sky - but I wonder if this will be maintained! Mind you, working with that awful Jules Botfield doll is enough to make anyone depressed.

I think Simon is much better Dermot, but not quite as good as Bill. So leave Bill on Fri - Sun, and put Simon on mainstream - him and Natasha can have a reunion.


Quite right - I thought he was pretty good as well. Blows Dermot out of the water, but nowhere near as good as Bill. But I reckon Bill & Sian should get Monday - Thursday, with Simon and Natasha Friday - Sunday.
TE
TELEVISION
Bill and Sian are by far the best team the BBC has, and they should be on the Six O'clock News, with a larger audience. I don't think George and Sophie work well, George would be better on his own, maybe the Ten O'clock News and Sophie was better with Jeremy on Breakfast.

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