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cat
No, that is just the thing, it always takes someone else to do something before the BBC follows.
It does not matter the fact that they started off television in the first place, because that is just a building block, you can start things off, but you have to try and move with them, something the BBC have missed.
By the simple fact that BBC World is so popular, it shows a BBC service can easily survive with adverts and still be of high calibre, yet the BBC has now missed the boat with advertising because they didn't open their eyes to it.
When the BBC started radio, great, all well and good, but it took commercial radio stations to actually get the 'ooh' factor, for example, 'If he insults the Empire I will cut him off' is a rather famous line from an original Home Service presenter.
But, it took commerical and smaller radio stations to actually first allow normal, regular people on the radio, the BBC were left aghast at this, because they didn't want to move with the times.
Considering News on the BBC (not BBC News that is when Newsreel and the BBC's news bit merged) has been about for so long, then why did they not launch news24 sooner? It took CNN and Sky to promt them into creating WSTV.
It took ITN to start off invision news and the modern day interview, it is all very well starting things, but you have to move with them at the same time, something the BBC have comprehensively failed to do.
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NickyS Founding member
cheshirec posted:
No, that is just the thing, it always takes someone else to do something before the BBC follows.

What about BBC Online? I think it's been one of the world leaders especially the News Online site - I think for content it is way ahead of the likes of ABCNews.com, ITN etc.
In domestic national terms what about 5 Live? That was something different and new that's been succesful.
The BBC has invested money in subtitling - especially regional news programmes etc
And, from what others have said, but because I'm on cable can't get it yet .. BBC Digital Text is good ....
However everyone borrows and slightly changes from everyone else ...
CA
cat
NickyS posted:
cheshirec posted:
No, that is just the thing, it always takes someone else to do something before the BBC follows.

What about BBC Online? I think it's been one of the world leaders especially the News Online site - I think for content it is way ahead of the likes of ABCNews.com, ITN etc.
In domestic national terms what about 5 Live? That was something different and new that's been succesful.
The BBC has invested money in subtitling - especially regional news programmes etc
And, from what others have said, but because I'm on cable can't get it yet .. BBC Digital Text is good ....
However everyone borrows and slightly changes from everyone else ...


Well CNN.com started off the online trend in 1993, the BBC launching in 1997, and I think, but I will check, Sky News were actually ahead of the BBC with news online by a month or so!!.
And in terms of national content, CNN is way ahead of any of its rivals.
However, I would totally agree, News Online is a very good service, although it annoys me that overseas users can still use the service, whilst we pay for it.
And I would agree also about 5live, IMO 5L is one of the best, or should I say WAS, one of the best radio stations aronud, and I listen to it everyday, I am not listening at the moment as there is footie on it, and this is why I say WAS.
When the BBC invented Radio5 it was mainly a sports station, yet the idea behind 5LIVE was that it was mainly news.
However, the new director of 5L has come from, guess where, yes BBC Sport.
He is literally ruining the station, getting rid of shows such as 'The Tempest' and putting sport in their place.
Five Live are launching a new sports station, 5L sports+, yet they are at the same time putting more and more sport on the main service, I will find a big article I found at MediaGuardian and post the link here, it explains it all.

And Yes, BBC Digi Text is a very good service, and far better than Sky Text (if only because it is faster because it doesnt have pictures).
It is just that the BBC are like a big fat slug, they go along really slowly and then find something they like and stick with that, whilst not really developing it, look at CNN.
They could have just stayed with CNN as their only channel. Instead they developed it and created:
CNN Headline News in 1982
CNN Intl in 1985
CNN Radio
CNN Airport Network
CNN SI
CNN Spanish
CNN Turk
CNN.com
along with many others.
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NickyS Founding member
Quote:
Quote: from cheshirec on 1:43 pm on April 21, 2001[brIt is just that the BBC are like a big fat slug, they go along really slowly and then find something they like and stick with that, whilst not really developing it, look at CNN.
They could have just stayed with CNN as their only channel. Instead they developed it and created:
CNN Headline News in 1982
CNN Intl in 1985
CNN Radio
CNN Airport Network
CNN SI
CNN Spanish
CNN Turk
CNN.com
along with many others.

I think that World Service radio have over the years developed many new services (different feeds for different regions).
BBC World are splitting more and more as they add more regions.
A couple of other things I've thought of ... RDS and DAB were both pioneered by the BBC, oh and ofcourse Local Radio
CA
cat
Yes WS has developed many new services, incidentally none of them are available to the people who pay for them, us, we only get WS UK/Europe.
And local radio was not invented by the BBC at all.
They originally tested out local radio in the 30's and cancelled transmissions, they only got round to doing it properly in 1964, with the creation of BBC Nottingham, the first BBC Local Radio station, followed by Merseyside and others.
However, local radio was pioneered in the States, where NBC and CBS created many many local stations, and NBC created the RED BLUE networks, this was long before the BBC had even considered local stations.
MD
mdta
Now cheshirec!

Where can i begin in educating you...

Firstly, when sky news began, BBC had no way of starting up BBC News 24.
The began coming up with the idea of a 24 hour news service in about 1995-96 their proposal was turned down several times, but eventually in 1997 the new labour government agreed to the channel.

They launched it on Cable as that was the only medium they were allowed to use.

BBC News 24 then became the very first Digital TV Channel.

Now adverts!

The BBC began over 75 years ago, as a government broadcasting service, then as radio transmissions became more commonplace the BBC's Broadcasting rights were relaxed and they brought out more stations.

Now with TV, the government were and still are responsible for the BBC, a tax was created to pay for it just like we pay for the NHS, and the BBC were forbidden from aquireing any sort of sponsership; or to use advertisements when broadcasting, so ADVERTS ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION.

Then not long after colour TV was introduced by the BBC, the government said the BBC were allowed to make a Commercial section which could operate without government funding, thus we have BBC Worldwide, however, they can not broadcast their channels in the UK, so no BBC World, BBC Prime, or BBC America.

However, the UKTV channels (uk gold etc.) are permitted, but only as part of MultiChannel subscription TV.
CA
cat
The point raised a year or so ago in the industry was that News24 could easily be taken under the wing of BBC Worldwide and carry advertising.
And don't think you can educate me mate, I know exactly what I am talking about, as I have said before I have worked in the industry, I don't know who you are (or more to the point what you do) but there simply could be no way you could educate me, FYI I knew all of that stuff you posted....
And techincally, and legally, they are actually obliged to send their channels over here, as EU laws state that any service it is technically possible for us, in the EU, to see, the company is legally obliged to provide us with that channel, BBC Prime is available over here, but the BBC will charge you £64 a month for it.
MI
Mich Founding member
cheshirec posted:
local radio in the 30's and cancelled transmissions, they only got round to doing it properly in 1964, with the creation of BBC Nottingham, the first BBC Local Radio station, followed by Merseyside and others.

I don't like to be picky, well actually I do, anyway on to my point, i'm pretty certain the BBC Radio Leicester was the first.
CA
cat
Sorry, I think you are right, I read it on one of the stations websites, all I know is taht Merseyside was second (I think!) anyway, it's the Midlands isn't it!!
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MI
Mich Founding member
Yeah but those in Leicester have to take all the fame they can (i'm actually half a mile outside of the county in Warwickshire, but i'm more Leicestershiry, that Warwickshiry) Anyway, any other fame that is than having the nations best rugby team, Leicester Tigers.
IA
Ian
cheshirec posted:
And don't think you can educate me mate, I know exactly what I am talking about, as I have said before I have worked in the industry, I don't know who you are (or more to the point what you do) but there simply could be no way you could educate me, FYI I knew all of that stuff you posted....
And techincally, and legally, they are actually obliged to send their channels over here, as EU laws state that any service it is technically possible for us, in the EU, to see, the company is legally obliged to provide us with that channel, BBC Prime is available over here, but the BBC will charge you £64 a month for it.



Is it legal to use that many unnecessary commas in one posting? Wink

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