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BBC making £34m investment in children's services

(July 2017)

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noggin Founding member
Sesame Street was never that popular over here was it? It was always tucked away in the schedules and don't think it was on everywhere. I've said before that as a child it was very odd watch, I didn't understand the odd references in it and the crappy film/NTSC quality made it look so different to anything else


I suspect its main problem was it was totally geared towards the American education system and we just never "got it". The BBC didn't want it and the commercial regulator had grave concerns about it too at the time. There was a report on it which I've never been able to find online - Reactions to Sesame Street in Britain 1971.

These days of course various characters, segments and what not were all spun-off and air quite happily on the various preschool channels - Cartoonito appear to be the most recent service to pick Sesame Street up but it doesn't appear in their schedule at the moment.


I think the Zee vs Zed issue loomed too... I'm not joking...
Richard and Night Thoughts gave kudos
BA
bilky asko
I'm not sure why they're only bringing up the Americanisation (or should that be Americanization?) problem now. For years the numerous kids channels like Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Disney have been made up of American imports and very little original British-made programming. And yet, amazingly, I didn't grow up with an American accent.


Of course, using -ize is still the house style of the OED - it is the older spelling and is closer to the original Greek.
GL
globaltraffic24
Sesame Street was never that popular over here was it? It was always tucked away in the schedules and don't think it was on everywhere. I've said before that as a child it was very odd watch, I didn't understand the odd references in it and the crappy film/NTSC quality made it look so different to anything else


I suspect its main problem was it was totally geared towards the American education system and we just never "got it". The BBC didn't want it and the commercial regulator had grave concerns about it too at the time. There was a report on it which I've never been able to find online - Reactions to Sesame Street in Britain 1971.

These days of course various characters, segments and what not were all spun-off and air quite happily on the various preschool channels - Cartoonito appear to be the most recent service to pick Sesame Street up but it doesn't appear in their schedule at the moment.


That says more about our socially conservative administrations than anything else. Sesame Street was bold and progressive and its messages about compassion and equality are pretty universal. I can imagine some of the authorities here were disgusted at the thought of our children 'being exposed' to such horror.

In relation to the wider point on Americanisation. It's a red herring. I grew up between the UK and Canada and I don't speak like a Yank, y'all!
IS
Inspector Sands

My belief is the bbc will take this slowly and will just normalise its practice around this current generation so today 5-10 year olds will be tomorrows 25-30 years and BBC one will follow suit.

I don't think anyone's thinking that far ahead. Who knows what the technological landscape will be in in 10 years time let alone 20! BBC One is very unlikely to exist in 2037


In yesterday's announcement Tony Hall said that they're working towards what shape the BBC's services will be in for 2022, the corporations 100th birthday
IS
Inspector Sands

I think the Zee vs Zed issue loomed too... I'm not joking...

And the 911 issue.


Talking about the American style of Sesame Street reminds me of the scene from Men Behaving Badly where Neil Morrisey's character is watching (presumably) Sesame Street and the american voice over goes 'what is this?' and he replies 'shop?, butchers? supermarket?' and the American voice replies 'delicatessen!'


That says more about our socially conservative administrations than anything else. Sesame Street was bold and progressive and its messages about compassion and equality are pretty universal. I can imagine some of the authorities here were disgusted at the thought of our children 'being exposed' to such horror.

It's the sort of message that Play School had been giving out for years though. It was more the American style that worried them, in particular the use of TV advertising techniques to educate
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member

I think the Zee vs Zed issue loomed too... I'm not joking...

And the 911 issue.


Not as much of an issue today as it would have been years ago thanks to mobile phones. calls to 911 can and probably are rerouted to 999, though I don't think this applies to landlines.
RI
Riaz
That says more about our socially conservative administrations than anything else. Sesame Street was bold and progressive and its messages about compassion and equality are pretty universal. I can imagine some of the authorities here were disgusted at the thought of our children 'being exposed' to such horror.


There may be much truth to what you say about our institutions but my own experience is that Sesame Street was never that popular with the British public to start with. Neither has the British public warmed to Sesame Street over the years. The style just isn't to our tastes. Even discussions within my education circles rarely ever involve any mention of Sesame Street - either for children to watch today or a nostalgic childhood programme of adults - despite recurring mention of other children's programmes from bygone decades, including American ones.
NT
Night Thoughts
Riaz posted:

Is Tomorrows World coming back from the dead? It was quite a popular programme amongst older children and teenagers even though it wasn't intended for this audience.

It's back as a brand but not as a programme


Indeed, it's the second time the name has been brought back - it was used briefly around 2007 for some science/tech news coverage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2007/01/why_tomorrows_world.shtml

This year's revival: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/tomorrows-world
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A former member
We have been through this before about Sesame street, http://www.tvforum.co.uk/tvhome/40-years-rainbow-started-16th-38666/

This is top notch, and well ref and was copied edit but SS people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame_Street_in_the_UK



My belief is the bbc will take this slowly and will just normalise its practice around this current generation so today 5-10 year olds will be tomorrows 25-30 years and BBC one will follow suit.

I don't think anyone's thinking that far ahead. Who knows what the technological landscape will be in in 10 years time let alone 20! BBC One is very unlikely to exist in 2037

In yesterday's announcement Tony Hall said that they're working towards what shape the BBC's services will be in for 2022, the corporations 100th birthday


Im sure someone is, back in 85/86 some one in the BBC must have had a good look at the satellite channels/feeds and said no but surly there were keeping an eye on it, to see when it would be possible for extra BBC Channels hence choice and knowledge. Thus somewhere in the deeps of the Broadcasting house someone is looking at the possibilities, how else did the BBC come up with this idea.
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DC
DCI02
CBBC are going to make versions of their shows aimed at 13-16 year olds, such as Operation Ouch, My Life & The Dumping Ground.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/cbbc-plans-teen-versions-of-top-shows/5119679.article?blocktitle=Top-Stories&contentID=2298
Quote:
Operation Ouch and My Life first to ‘grow up’

Older-skewing versions of CBBC brands such as Operation Ouch and My Life are to be developed to help the broadcaster reach teenagers.

While the corporation’s £34m three-year funding boost for children’s output, unveiled yesterday, will include drama, comedy and factual output for 13-16 year-olds, BBC director of children’s Alice Webb said she also wanted to “allow some of our existing shows and characters to grow up with our audience”.

She said work had already begun on extending documentary strand My Life and Maverick Television’s health format Operation Ouch to this older audience by tackling issues such as young people’s mental health and the effects of alcohol.

CBBC drama The Dumping Ground could also be in Webb’s sights.

In a keynote address at the Children’s Media Conference, Webb said: “As children grow up through the The Dumping Ground, we get deluged by children who ask why a character had to grow up and move out.

“There are some really clear indicators for us of what the audience wants and we are going to be led by them.”

‘From 5 Live to BBC1’

With the BBC committed to serving 6-12 year-olds via CBBC, Webb said this older-skewing content would primarily be distributed on iPlayer and across social media as part of the ambition to “connect children right across the BBC, from 5 Live to BBC1”.

Webb added: “That audience between the age of 13 and 16 risks falling between the gaps between mainstream channels and our much-loved children’s channels. Tackling issues that are important to our audience is dear to our heart and we’ll do that for teenagers as well as for CBBC and Cbeebies.”

She pointed to research with teens conducted by BBC Children’s which revealed the demographic was interested in drama and current affairs which reflected their lives. “Those are the areas we are starting with,” she said.

CBBC controller Cheryl Taylor has been tasked with finding “innovative, impactful” commissions, such as coming-of-age dramas.

“We want shows that share the growing pains of that young audience, comedy and powerful factual content – and content that might play out on social media, on third party platforms as well as on our own,” Webb said. “Content that lives and hangs out with our audience wherever they are.”
WH
Whataday Founding member
CBBC has staunchly defended a recently Daily Mail story about a lunchtime Blue Peter repeat registering a zero rating.



IS
Inspector Sands

Im sure someone is, back in 85/86 some one in the BBC must have had a good look at the satellite channels/feeds and said no but surly there were keeping an eye on it, to see when it would be possible for extra BBC Channels hence choice and knowledge. Thus somewhere in the deeps of the Broadcasting house someone is looking at the possibilities, how else did the BBC come up with this idea.

The idea that there would be more TV channels wasn't exactly a new concept in the mid 80s and of course it was actually happening. And in fact there were plans for new BBC satellite services at that time. But no one had any idea in what form they would be in or be distributed.

Of course there were vague ideas as to what things will be like in 20 or 30 years time, but that's not enough to plan for or allocate money to.

Think of the difference in media between 1987 and 2017 and you'll get the idea of what how different it will be in 2047. It's a total paradigm shift. In 1997 the idea of someone listening to the radio via a voice controlled speaker made by the world's biggest bookseller just wouldn't have even crossed someone's mind. Yet now in 2017 the BBC are making content for it and are have to assume they will be in 2022. In 20 years time that will be old tech
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