BBC Logo

Even channels Like Bravo, Sky & the like have "a (insert company name here) production for (insert channel name or organisation here)

I'm the expert at this! I know when all the BBC logos were adopted to BBC programmes. It wasn't until 1998 that all shows (including EastEnders) used the logo in-vision during the titles, denoting whether the show is BBC or not. I remember it was a new rule that was instigated when the BBC sold shows to America and exports, this was the main reason you get the BBC logo been added over most titles these days. It's only purely for export purposes really, like if we get a show from the States or from down under (like Neighbours and Home&Away) they'd usually insert the logo denoting the providers, like Network 7 and Grundy. I still reckon it clutters up the titles. The Enders' titles look bloody hideous since the logo was shoved underneath the EastEnders text. The thing is I prefer the old lozenges logo in the 1990s - that would have looked good animated a la BBC Videos of the time, but superimposed over titles. Shame they take ages to catch on!

How true. I wonder why they don't do this, well why they stopped, as up until the new logo was introduced it was always used.

Though I'm also someone who doesn't get the production side being called Granada. Surely that's just the bosses way of not getting rid of the Granada name.
If anyone else looked at it, it would make sense. And I don't get people who say about them making programmes for other channels, etc, so what? Do Sky have a production brand for when they make programmes for other channels? I don't think so!

At the end of the day it would give them free publicity at the end of programmes, it would then of course then be up to the channel.

I think the real explanation lies with how good the ITV/Granada productions are and the fact that they are on other channels. Watching some of the Grananda produced wildlife programmes on five are great, and it's a shame that they can't make good non drama/soap programmes like this for ITV1, 2 or 3.

Though I would have thought with two other channels in the multichannel arena that they would create new programming to entice a different type of viewer to the channels, i.e. if you don't like ITV1 see ITV2 or ITV3, etc. Yet they seem to have filled 2 & 3 with American imports whenever I look at the line ups.

I think ITV2 is American imports (including films and then a few cheap documentaries on glamourous women or Jordan & Peter!

The NBC program Saturday Night Live had the NBC peacock in the opening montage/titles during selected seasons.

Off the top of my head, in it's 14th through 20th seasons (88-95). Currently, there is no logo in the montage.

NBC have the policy of putting a coloured DOG (in the same place the water mark is) during the opening titles of all their shows. The watermark remains transparent in HD tranmitted programs though.

That was the reason given by them. Of all their brands Granada is the name with the longest history and most recognised, both in the UK and abroad. They'd be very silly inded to scrap it and come up with some random word to brand all their programmes



If anyone else looked at it, it would make sense. And I don't get people who say about them making programmes for other channels, etc, so what? Do Sky have a production brand for when they make programmes for other channels? I don't think so!

At the end of the day it would give them free publicity at the end of programmes, it would then of course then be up to the channel.

I think the real explanation lies with how good the ITV/Granada productions are and the fact that they are on other channels. Watching some of the Grananda produced wildlife programmes on five are great, and it's a shame that they can't make good non drama/soap programmes like this for ITV1, 2 or 3.

Though I would have thought with two other channels in the multichannel arena that they would create new programming to entice a different type of viewer to the channels, i.e. if you don't like ITV1 see ITV2 or ITV3, etc. Yet they seem to have filled 2 & 3 with American imports whenever I look at the line ups.

I think ITV2 is American imports (including films and then a few cheap documentaries on glamourous women or Jordan & Peter![/quote]

I can't believe the BBC has a whole page on it's website about where a BBC logo should be on the titles and what size, what colour, it can't have a shadow - it just smells of a complete waste of money to me.....

Nearly every company who have an agency designed logo are given instructions on the correct (and incorrect) usage.

It *would* be a waste of money to design a logo and then have it ******* by people using it incorrectly. The price of design would include the usage instructions. The reason its on the website is so independants (and BBC departments) have a reference point.

Yes, indeed, a whole page on it's website. Think of the cost. It must run into, oh, I don't know, pence.

Presumably you'd prefer lots of glossy printed information to be sent out to everyone who makes a programme. Or would you prefer no one was told anything at all and inconsistancy was the order of the day?

RTE and TG4 both do now here (in a very similar manner to the BBC's, a fade in and out early in the title sequence) , though they don't tend to be consistant about doing it. RTE have taken the "logo in title sequence" a step further, in that they also add the name of the department producing the programme (so you have "RTE FACTUAL", "RTE ENTERTAINEMENT" etc). TG4 have been doing this for years, RTE since September 2003 (but its taking a while to phase in).

Pity the BBC can't follow its own guidelines though. I'm thinking BBC Newsline.

I remember for a short time in the mid to late 80s, Granada often superimposed a logo on the opening titles of their Children's programmes in very much the same style as the BBC do now. In particular I remember the old 'G' logo in the corner of the titles to Hold Tight (Alton Towers based Bob Carolgees fest), although I'm sure it was used on some others as well.

This came in shortly after Children's ITV dropped frontcaps from programmes, which was a good while before the rest of ITV's frontcaps were ditched. Presumably they wanted to retain some kind of branding at the beginning of their programmes.