BBC Nations use of Idents in the 1990s

Over the years BBC introduced and withdraw a number of idents to there BBC2 package, from 1991 - 2001? and BBC one 97 -02. Unlike the network, Scotland N.I and Wales like to keep using a number of idents which were withdrawn from the network , while at the same time a number of newer idents never made it to operation.

Can anyone remember when or who used what ident, and when each was taken out of service from each of the regions? I do know about few

* Paper Cut Out
* Glass

from 1991 both were short lived by the networked, both gone by 1993 but Glass was used for longer by NI (until 1995) and longer still by Scotland (1997, basically right up to the end of new BBC logo)

47 variations of the BBC1 balloon, again a lot never made else where and im sure Scottish 12 Armadillo Building, was actually either never used or was hardly used by Glasgow, If was seen it was by a NETWORK control in London

Can anyone remember any others that out lived in the regions? I have to also ask does anyone have a FULL list of BBC1 ( 1997 - 02) and BBC2 ( 91 - 01) idents created?

TV ARK is missing a lot of Archive for BBC SCOTLAND, so if you have any maybe you should have a chat with them

Ahh, I saw "BBC Local" and thought you meant this (courtesy TV Live)

http://www.tv-live.org.uk/wp/media/digitext/bbcrb30.jpg

Sort of related - does anybody know why BBC Wales took to using a gradient version of the BBC logotype in the 90s?

It took its cues from the full colour logo, seen on the promotional stings and the BBC Video Ident - same idea of shading on the lozenges, solid white letters instead of tranparent, colour underline. In that respect, the gradient effect wasn't quite something invented by Wales (and the underline was appropriate if the 'RGB colours for the Nations' idea stands), they just took the extra step of adding it to the logo on the symbols and slides. As for what gave them the idea to use it on air, I cannot be sure. Perhaps they just tried it out, thought it looked nice and kept it!?

It didn't look nice at all - it clashed badly with the dark backgrounds of the idents of the time and always looked out of place.

That being the reason why no-one else did the same, I should think...

I think one of the reasons might be because by using the gradient logo they could use the full red underlined version of the logo that was created for BBC Wales. And BBC Wales have always been peculiar when it comes to adapting national pres really, :p

I have comes across wiki pages, which gives list of idents and when there disappeared from the network use but its missing alot info about when nations stopped using them bar two!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Two_%271991-2001%27_idents

BBC Northern Ireland never quite went that far, but I do remember that the original Newsline 6.30 titles did use the green stripes version of the old BBC logo and I think it was on OB vans as well.

I'm hoping someone might have been able to push this a bit forward?