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"BBC Must Learn From Mistakes"

Major speech by Lord Hall (August 2020)

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commseng
What rubbish this thread has quickly turned into. Fantasy restructuring nonsense.

Maybe discussing the actual speech might be a good idea


I agree. Lets begin.

We’re more out of London than ever before. A decade ago, a third of the BBC was based outside the M25. Today it’s half.

In the last few years, We’ve doubled the proportion of programmes produced in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. And our new BBC Scotland Channel has been a major success. In its first full year, it’s reaching 1 in 6 people each week.

This matters not only because it means so much to audiences to see their lives and communities represented on screen. But also because, as the national broadcaster, spread across all our nations and regions, who is better placed to support the levelling-up agenda?


To me there has always a huge sense of inequality between the nations of the UK when it comes to broadcasting and the BBC in particular. There have been over the past 20 years or so some piecemeal attempt by the corporation to redress the balance. BBC Choice for example in late 1999 onwards did split into 4 "national" stations with the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish variations carrying amongst other programmes a 10 O'clock news bulletin for that particular nation. (BBC Choice England didn't have one)

The creation of the devolved Parliaments and Assemblies in 1999 did in my opinion act as a wake up call for the BBC when it came to covering all 4 nations of the UK more fairly hence the above split in BBC Choice (whether they were connected in some way is unclear).
I'll go one stage further and theorise that BBC Scotland was created by the corporation as a way of not necessarily pacifying the Scottish Nationalists following the referendum but more as a realisation that London doesn't necessarily always know best

Now while I do watch some programmes on BBC Scotland (specifically Inside Central Station and David Wilson's Crime Files) I have to say that it may have been a wrong move financially to create a specific channel for Scotland when the BBC already had 2 channels in Scotland. Now I know nothing about budgeting and finances but it just seemed to me a waste of money when the BBC could have reformatted BBC 1 and 2 north of the border to have a "hybrid" service with the best of the national output (Eastenders etc) alongside a strong regional service.

Although an awful lot of programming has moved out of London (defined by the M25), all it seems to be to me in England is a lot of Salford. The BBC's presence in the Midlands is now tiny, and many production companies who work in Wales or Scotland seem to be using the "brass plate" way of having programmes defined as being from there, when the reality is very different - including shows that come from London.
As both commercial radio and TV centralise their operations - in either London or Manchester (again), then the BBC is the last one still with the ability to play the local card.
There may not be a big pot of money, but surely spreading it in England more evenly wouldn't hurt.
When I was growing up BBC Birmingham produced (for example) All Creatures Great and Small, not an obvious one, but the idea came from Midlands staff. Coast is a more recent one, and as a Brummy, I don't recall much in the way of a coast near where I grew up.
With the ability to work remotely now becoming more feasible, the BBC could have staff spread more over the UK.
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Ne1L C
The BBC seems to be fixated on London and Salford. Now while in a way that’s understandable as their major facilities are based there it has to my mind given the corporation even more of a English slant than ever before.


The regions outside London and Salford are the poor relations. The only major production to my knowledge that isn’t based in either of the above is Dr Who from Cardiff.

I concur with your view that the BBC can still play the local card but their hand appears to be weak. The recent axing of “inside out” has to my mind created the impression that the bbc doesn’t give a damn about the regions.
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valley
The regions outside London and Salford are the poor relations. The only major production to my knowledge that isn’t based in either of the above is Dr Who from Cardiff.

Here's five:
Casualty [Cardiff]
Natural History Unit [Bristol]
Father Brown [Birmingham]
Top Gear [Dunsfold]
Countryfile [Bristol]
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what
Plus BBC Wales were responsible for Torchwood, the Sarah Jane Adventures, Sherlock, Only Connect, Merlin, and many others.
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noggin Founding member
what posted:
Plus BBC Wales were responsible for Torchwood, the Sarah Jane Adventures, Sherlock, Only Connect, Merlin, and many others.


Though in the case of three of those, BBC Wales were responsible for commissioning them (i.e. funding the initial broadcast production to a degree, and controlling the direction in broad brush terms) but the BBC didn't make them or produce them.

Sherlock, Only Connect and Merlin were or are made by Indies, not the BBC.
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noggin Founding member
The regions outside London and Salford are the poor relations. The only major production to my knowledge that isn’t based in either of the above is Dr Who from Cardiff.

Here's five:
Casualty [Cardiff]
Natural History Unit [Bristol]
Father Brown [Birmingham]
Top Gear [Dunsfold]
Countryfile [Bristol]


Top Gear may be shot on location at Dunsfold, but it's made by a London BBC Studios production team, based in London. It won't count fully as an outside-London production.
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Ne1L C
As I said DW was the only one I knew of.
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valley
Top Gear may be shot on location at Dunsfold, but it's made by a London BBC Studios production team, based in London. It won't count fully as an outside-London production.

I know, it was just an example of the BBC making programmes outside of London and Salford
NG
noggin Founding member
Top Gear may be shot on location at Dunsfold, but it's made by a London BBC Studios production team, based in London. It won't count fully as an outside-London production.

I know, it was just an example of the BBC making programmes outside of London and Salford


I guess it depends if you define 'making' as shooting, rather than the whole production process. It's tricky - but I think most people in the industry would define Top Gear as a London production, in the same way as a drama made in-house by BBC Wales on-location in Birmingham would still be a BBC Studios Wales production, or a BBC Bristol team shooting a features programme in Scotland would still be a BBC Studios Bristol production.

Where you shoot something and where it's produced are not always the same thing. (In many cases the definition is more based on where the production team are employed for weeks during the production, rather than where they shoot for a couple of days)
NL
Ne1L C

To the mods in all seriousness will you look into the possibility of creating a fantasy forum.

No need to create one, we just need to imagine one....


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commseng
Top Gear may be shot on location at Dunsfold, but it's made by a London BBC Studios production team, based in London. It won't count fully as an outside-London production.

I know, it was just an example of the BBC making programmes outside of London and Salford


I guess it depends if you define 'making' as shooting, rather than the whole production process. It's tricky - but I think most people in the industry would define Top Gear as a London production, in the same way as a drama made in-house by BBC Wales on-location in Birmingham would still be a BBC Studios Wales production, or a BBC Bristol team shooting a features programme in Scotland would still be a BBC Studios Bristol production.

Where you shoot something and where it's produced are not always the same thing. (In many cases the definition is more based on where the production team are employed for weeks during the production, rather than where they shoot for a couple of days)

I don't think you could even define it as where production are based now.
I have seen several productions that I have worked on which have the name of a nation for the purposes of fulfilling a quota, when the only thing that happens is that the financial side is dealt with there, so it qualifies as the budget is done from there.
I agree that it is not where the recording / live is done from, but it is playing to the letter and not the spirit of the regs.
Some specialist things will never be possible to do from a particular place, as there is not enough work to sustain it other than being UK wide, or even world wide.
I'm not sure I am backing my own arguement up, but I don't think that the current situation is ideal.
MA
Markymark
Top Gear may be shot on location at Dunsfold, but it's made by a London BBC Studios production team, based in London. It won't count fully as an outside-London production.

I know, it was just an example of the BBC making programmes outside of London and Salford


I guess it depends if you define 'making' as shooting, rather than the whole production process. It's tricky - but I think most people in the industry would define Top Gear as a London production, in the same way as a drama made in-house by BBC Wales on-location in Birmingham would still be a BBC Studios Wales production, or a BBC Bristol team shooting a features programme in Scotland would still be a BBC Studios Bristol production.

Where you shoot something and where it's produced are not always the same thing. (In many cases the definition is more based on where the production team are employed for weeks during the production, rather than where they shoot for a couple of days)


Indeed. C4's end caps amuse me, a Phil n'Kirsty house search programme in say, Rutland gets tagged as 'Made in Rutland', well yes, shot there (ovbs), but certainly not produced there !

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