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"BBC Must Learn From Mistakes"

Major speech by Lord Hall (August 2020)

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JamesWorldNews
What rubbish this thread has quickly turned into. Fantasy restructuring nonsense.

Maybe discussing the actual speech might be a good idea


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Ne1L C
What rubbish this thread has quickly turned into. Fantasy restructuring nonsense.

Maybe discussing the actual speech might be a good idea


TVF *does* love a fantasy. Sigh. šŸ¤¦šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø
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Ne1L C
what posted:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Getting rid of Cbeebies or merging it/cutting it back in any way is a stupid idea that will be incredibly controversial. Parents rely on it for a few minutes or hours of peace and quiet.

It’s also, I’d argue, vitally important for the future of the BBC. If people grow up with it, and remember it fondly, they’re likely to continue to support and appreciate the BBC as a whole. I started with CBBC as a child, and still love the BBC. I listen to Radio 2 whenever I’m in the car, I’d fall asleep occasionally listening to Radio Wales (RIP Chris Needs) and I love BBC One and Two, plus TOTP on BBC Four is really enjoyable as an 80s/90s music fan.


An excellent point. The BBC is part of our national consciousness and we all have warm memories. I'm not a parent but can understand how CBBC and Cbeebies must help so many frazzled parents etc especially in the last few months.

To the mods in all seriousness will you look into the possibility of creating a fantasy forum.
Last edited by Ne1L C on 24 August 2020 8:21pm
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Steve Founding member
what posted:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Getting rid of Cbeebies or merging it/cutting it back in any way is a stupid idea that will be incredibly controversial. Parents rely on it for a few minutes or hours of peace and quiet.


This is spot on. If you don’t have children, it’s (obviously) hard to appreciate just how good Cbeebies is. There is nothing like it.

It’s hard to imagine that when I was growing up there was an hour (probably?) a day aimed at the audience which Cbeebies now supports and now we have 12 hours of ad-free, mainly home grown programming and so much original and ā€˜soft’ educational content.

If ever there was a channel - to coin the trite phrase - ā€˜worth the licence fee on its own’ it’s CBeebies.
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Andrew Founding member
This is like one of those Digital Spy threads, that go off onto a different topic from post number 2 onwards. I’ve read the BBC News story linked to in the opening post, and I can’t see anything about axing CBeebies
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Ne1L C
Children’s tv is to my mind a vastly underrated and heavily disregarded part of PSB tv. Any future of the bbc must have a cast iron commitment to ensure the continuation of both Cbeebies and CBBC
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Steve Founding member
This is like one of those Digital Spy threads, that go off onto a different topic from post number 2 onwards. I’ve read the BBC News story linked to in the opening post, and I can’t see anything about axing CBeebies


It’s a speech about celebrating the diversity of the BBC and building on its strengths - that’s what (some of us) are discussing.

Dare I suggest posting in a thread about taking a thread in a different direction is the definition of ironic 😊

(Which I realise I’ve now done too.... okay maybe you have a point 🤣)
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what
This is like one of those Digital Spy threads, that go off onto a different topic from post number 2 onwards. I’ve read the BBC News story linked to in the opening post, and I can’t see anything about axing CBeebies

There were a couple of mentions in the fantasy changes coined in this thread earlier of merging Cbeebies/CBBC with BBC Three, or moving back to a single daily slot on One/Two.
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Jonwo
what posted:
This is like one of those Digital Spy threads, that go off onto a different topic from post number 2 onwards. I’ve read the BBC News story linked to in the opening post, and I can’t see anything about axing CBeebies

There were a couple of mentions in the fantasy changes coined in this thread earlier of merging Cbeebies/CBBC with BBC Three, or moving back to a single daily slot on One/Two.

Not to mention the merging of the 10 with Newsnight which is never going to happen!
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Ballyboy
They should have never move bbc three online
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Inspector Sands

To the mods in all seriousness will you look into the possibility of creating a fantasy forum.

No need to create one, we just need to imagine one....
JW
JamesWorldNews

To the mods in all seriousness will you look into the possibility of creating a fantasy forum.

No need to create one, we just need to imagine one....


LOL. Done!

Back to the subject at hand, Mr. Davie does have his work cut out for him. If we view the BBC as a business (as it is) and not just a broadcaster, much of the mistakes are most probably happening in the same areas they happen in general business.

Bad investments. Poor branding. Confusing branding. Poor HR and policies. Badly performing staff (not just front of camera or mic). Poor economies of scale by having too many facilities. Duplication of effort. Charter. Direction. Leadership or lack of. Over-extended offering. Micro and macro environmental challenges. Funding. Cashflow. Etc. Etc. And VASTLY increased competition.

Of course, in its role of broadcaster, it's natural that we swerve into the broadcast elements of the corporation as verified by the vast majority of posts in this thread. But 80% of its problems are probably those behind the scenes which are distant from the public's eyes and ears but which are important links in the business - and hence performance - chain. And those issues are more difficult to fix and be convincing to the consumer as they are largely hidden elements.

This is a personal opinion, but I far preferred the BBC when it was a smaller operation. In widening it's portfolio to cater to every permutation of taste, strand and medium, it ended up diluting it's offering in many aspects.

The BBC of today is BBC-Lite. And that's not a criticism, it's a fact of life of the modern day. Needs must to survive.

Just like in my industry, where Ryanair and easyJet now rule the skies. Legacy airlines struggle alongside them. We'd all like to fly in BA First Class but at Ryanair prices. It doesn't work that way.

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