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(November 2003)

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mulder posted:
Juicy Joe posted:
nicholas.gee99 posted:

BBC PLEASE GIVE US BACK OUR GLOBE!!!


NO!!! PLEASE DON'T!!! I love the dancing BBC1 idents, especially the BBC1 Skateboarders idents, for which I am still wishing for someone to post a clean mp3 version of the music to this ident on this website!! If at all??? I'm sure someone can help?

But BBC1 cannot go back to the globe now! It's history! I know Tyne Tees television rose from the dead and so is The Generation Game in January, but BBC1 dancers are here to stay and we must all start to accept this!

For crying out loud! Very Happy


sorry, can't agree. how old are you? do you skate? if so, have you skated for long? I can't see any older skaters liking the fact that the BBC have jumped on the bandwagon. Just 'cause skating has now been forced into the mainstream and all the little kids have jumped on the bandwagon, there's no need to make an ident about it and jump on the bandwagon as well. They did it with the balloon too, just when skating was starting to get popular.

I'm not a skater, but I can see that a lot of older skaters would hate that their culture has become such a kiddie magnet. If the BBC made a DJ ident, I'd be mad as hell, as I was when they made the promo for BBC Blast (I think it was called that), with the guy going, "there's this girl DJ in the back of a truck." ARARG.

That's the worst one of the bunch too. Bring back the globe.


I disagree - whilst it could have been extremely cliched of the BBC to make a skateboarders ident, I think simply with the musical choice they latched onto something slightly deeper than 'pop-punk' which has been associated with this sudden uprising of skaters. 'True' skaters I think could kinda appreciate that ident.
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RDJ
Don't bring back the globe! Exclamation , But do bring back the clock! Exclamation
CW
cwathen Founding member
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Don't bring back the globe! , But do bring back the clock!

Supposedly there is a clock (still based on the 1991 design) but it's just not being used.
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Aston
My money IS on the globe returning in the next incarnation of idents. However, no-one knows how long it'll be until BBC ONE refreshes it's image - my money on that is a couple of years. I think there is more scope for the dancers and with the introduction on new idents the image could be improved.

Well, that's what I THINK - it's not based on anything and is purely speculation...
MU
mulder
Barney Boo posted:


I disagree - whilst it could have been extremely cliched of the BBC to make a skateboarders ident, I think simply with the musical choice they latched onto something slightly deeper than 'pop-punk' which has been associated with this sudden uprising of skaters. 'True' skaters I think could kinda appreciate that ident.


I'm still not sure about that ident. The music is different, and it does fit the slow and graceful visuals, but slow and graceful doesn't fit skating. I still don't think older skaters would appreciate it. The older ones were into skating because it was something that they liked and the fact that nobody else did, and they got teased for it, didn't stop them from doing it. Now, everybody's at it, and that upsets them because although it's good that it's more popular, it has become popular with the wrong people who won't be bothered with it in 5 years time when the fasion changes.
SP
Spencer
cwathen posted:
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No set of idents lasts forever, and I'm pretty certain the dancers are not an exception. Friends I know at the Beeb say that they're not popular within the organisation, and they don't seem to have captured the public imagination in the same was as the balloon did. I get the feeling they're only being kept on for now to save face for the Beeb, and in particular, Lorraine Heggessey.

I think keeping them for that reason is actually the wrong approach to take. The general concensus amongst the public is that they're crap, opinion within the BBC is that they're crap and inflexible, Lorraine Hegessey and Greg Dyke know they're crap too. But keeping them to avoid loosing face I think just makes the BBC come over as being pompous and overbearing. If they actually turned around and said 'OK, we admit it, the dancers were a mistake. We're going to withdraw them and try something else' I think they'd get a lot more respect than continuing to run them and peddle out their pre-prepared 'the dancers are excellent because...' lines.

Really, there's standing by a package and giving it time to bed in and there's, well, continuing to run the dancers after nearly 2 years.

Incidentally, are any more being made? afaik all the current idents have been made at the same time, and are just being phased in. Whether or not any new ones are being made is probably a sign as to how long term they will be.


I think there's also a big issue of public accountability at stake as well. If the BBC was to commission an expensive set of idents, and then drop them after only a couple of years because they decided they didn't like them, there'd probably be a fuss made about the BBC wasting licence payers' money.

I remember Gerald Kaufman laid into the Beeb when they spent millions on the new logo and balloon idents in 1997. Such controversies don't really strengthen the BBC's cause to keep the licence fee.

If it was a commercial broadcaster involved, it'd probably be easier for them to ditch something they don't like without people asking questions about wasting money... rather like Channel 4 when they got rid of the rings.
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Still
My view on the stakeboarders ident is that it could have any music on earth with it. I'd still think it was odd looking at skateboarders without the God awful scraping/crashing/rumbling noise they normally make.
Of course I'd wouldn't want that either - the whole thing must be flawed Wink

Aston posted:
My money IS on the globe returning in the next incarnation of idents. However, no-one knows how long it'll be until BBC ONE refreshes it's image - my money on that is a couple of years. I think there is more scope for the dancers and with the introduction on new idents the image could be improved.

Well, that's what I THINK - it's not based on anything and is purely speculation...


Yes buddy, we all know you work on Xchange, but I don't think any of us would expect you to know any more than say, my niece. Who's a baby.
JJ
Juicy Joe Founding member
Barney Boo posted:

I disagree - whilst it could have been extremely cliched of the BBC to make a skateboarders ident, I think simply with the musical choice they latched onto something slightly deeper than 'pop-punk' which has been associated with this sudden uprising of skaters. 'True' skaters I think could kinda appreciate that ident.


Yes!!! Why not take a look at:-

http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7265

for further deatils!!! Very Happy
TW
Turnbull and Williams
I think the Skateboarders ident is great. Stop trying to look at it deeply as a statement of a way of life - it is simply an interesting and inspiring visual mixed impeccably with equally excellent music.

It's certainly my favourite of the set.
JJ
Juicy Joe Founding member
Turnbull & Williams posted:
I think the Skateboarders ident is great. Stop trying to look at it deeply as a statement of a way of life - it is simply an interesting and inspiring visual mixed impeccably with equally excellent music.

It's certainly my favourite of the set.


At last...someone who talks a bit of sense!!! It is certainly the most interesting and likeable out of all of them...apart from Festival!

Who thinks that they should have made another skateboarders ident where that first skateboarder falls off his board after the second jump writhing around on the floor in agony, for a bit of comical potential that could be useful n Friday nights before BBC1 comedys???

Also, what are people's views on the increasing trend of the Skateboarders ident being played out before the main national and regional news bulletins??? Is the ident suitable for this or not??? I like it whenver it is played!!!!

Also, REMEMBER http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7265
EH
Ed Hammond
The skateboarders ident certainly wasn't a retrograde step. It's a lot more pleasing on the eye than many of the others, especially the garish Bollywood or the slightly frightening Haka.

Still not a patch on the globes though... although bizarrely the menu/promo endboard style in use now is, in my view, far superior to the simple centred-text approach used from 1997-2002.

And yes, I suspect that the globe may make a return. But that, of course, assumes that idents themselves continue to exist for more than a few more years...
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