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BBC HD Nordic

(November 2008)

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ST
Ste Founding member
BBC HD Nordic is testing on 1W.

DVB-S2 (8PSK) 12015.00 H - 30000 3/4

Only showing a static logo at the moment.

Screenshot
HA
harshy Founding member
Thanks Ste, it will be interesting to compare presentation, I take it won't be free to air like the uk one?
ST
Ste Founding member
harshy posted:
Thanks Ste, it will be interesting to compare presentation, I take it won't be free to air like the uk one?


No I doubt it Sad

It has a big Canal Digital logo on the test image and I think I remember reading a press release about it a few months ago that it will be part of that package.
NG
noggin Founding member
harshy posted:
Thanks Ste, it will be interesting to compare presentation, I take it won't be free to air like the uk one?


No - it will be a pay-TV channel, part of the Canal Digital package. There are quite a few pay-TV HD channels on Canal Digital - even SVT HD is not FTA (for that matter neither are the SVT SD channels - though there is an equivalent to our FTV cards for these, and TV4)
HA
harshy Founding member
noggin posted:
harshy posted:
Thanks Ste, it will be interesting to compare presentation, I take it won't be free to air like the uk one?


No - it will be a pay-TV channel, part of the Canal Digital package. There are quite a few pay-TV HD channels on Canal Digital - even SVT HD is not FTA (for that matter neither are the SVT SD channels - though there is an equivalent to our FTV cards for these, and TV4)


Yes including BBC Food, I've not seen this anywhere else!
HA
harshy Founding member
I haven't tuned it in yet, but from's Ste's cap BBC HD Nordic is going to use 1920 x 1980, but BBC HD on Sky uses 1440 x 1080, so technically the Nordic one is going to have a better PQ, is Telenor responsible for the technical aspects of BBC HD, or is BBC sending the signal from London to Telenor is that how's its normally done?
BA
bilky asko
harshy posted:
I haven't tuned it in yet, but from's Ste's cap BBC HD Nordic is going to use 1920 x 1980, but BBC HD on Sky uses 1440 x 1080, so technically the Nordic one is going to have a better PQ, is Telenor responsible for the technical aspects of BBC HD, or is BBC sending the signal from London to Telenor is that how's its normally done?


I doubt it's going to be 1920 x 1980...
DB
dbl
Is 1440x1080 sort of like 544x576 of the HD world? (If that makes sense)
HA
harshy Founding member
bilky asko posted:
harshy posted:
I haven't tuned it in yet, but from's Ste's cap BBC HD Nordic is going to use 1920 x 1980, but BBC HD on Sky uses 1440 x 1080, so technically the Nordic one is going to have a better PQ, is Telenor responsible for the technical aspects of BBC HD, or is BBC sending the signal from London to Telenor is that how's its normally done?


I doubt it's going to be 1920 x 1980...


it is my box tells me its 1920 x 1080 also BBC Knowledge starting on the same day in standard def.
ST
Ste Founding member
What box do you have harshy?

The resolution of that screenshot could be something to do VLC streaming from my box outputting screenshots at the wrong resolution. Screenshots of BBC HD also come out in those dimensions.
RE
remlap
I can confirm its 1920x1080 25fps but weirdly in MPEG-2.
NG
noggin Founding member
dbl posted:
Is 1440x1080 sort of like 544x576 of the HD world? (If that makes sense)

Sort of - but for a reason.

Until this month the BBC commissioned all their HD shows to be delivered on HDCam tape. HDCam tape is 3:1:1 1440x1080 on-tape. Therefore all non-live shows that the BBC broadcast would have only had a resolution of 1440x1080 - so broadcasting at 1920x1080 would have been pointless, other than for live events (which may have arrived in 1920x1080)

However the BBC are now commissioning for delivery on HDCam SR - which is 1920x1080 4:2:2 - so there is a reason for them to upgrade to 1920x1080 for transmission.

However let's hope they replace their ancient H264 encoder first - as for the bitrate it is running at (16Mbs+) it looks terrible... Other channels are running at much lower rates and look a lot better at full 1920x1080 resolution.

It isn't true that all 1920x1080 channels will look better than 1440x1080 channels though - as bitrate and encoder quaity play a part in picture quality as well as resolution.

A poorly encoded 1920x1080 MPEG2 service at 10Mbs may well look a whole lot worse than a well encoded 1440x1080 H264 service at 15Mbs.

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