NG
Very unlikely. And why only the clock in the 4:3 safe area?
During the pre-2008 graphics, the clock was placed in the 16:9 area, with many people complaining about it, before the moved it into they 4:3 area.
There was also the issue that the same clock was used on Weekend Breakfast and overnights which were carried on BBC One analogue in 14:9 LB which looked awful with the clock where it was...
noggin
Founding member
Oh, I like them. Much better than before. The next BBC News graphics redesign may now be 16:9 safe with only the clock in the 4:3 safe area. I was wondering when the switch would happen on the channels.
Very unlikely. And why only the clock in the 4:3 safe area?
During the pre-2008 graphics, the clock was placed in the 16:9 area, with many people complaining about it, before the moved it into they 4:3 area.
There was also the issue that the same clock was used on Weekend Breakfast and overnights which were carried on BBC One analogue in 14:9 LB which looked awful with the clock where it was...
NG
Hmm - I suspect they will want a common look for BBC News and BBC World News where possible - and BBC World News is still broadcast 4:3 centre-cut and 14:9 letterbox in some territories isn't it?
noggin
Founding member
Oh, I like them. Much better than before. The next BBC News graphics redesign may now be 16:9 safe with only the clock in the 4:3 safe area. I was wondering when the switch would happen on the channels.
Hmm - I suspect they will want a common look for BBC News and BBC World News where possible - and BBC World News is still broadcast 4:3 centre-cut and 14:9 letterbox in some territories isn't it?
CH
Hmm - I suspect they will want a common look for BBC News and BBC World News where possible - and BBC World News is still broadcast 4:3 centre-cut and 14:9 letterbox in some territories isn't it?
How likely is it we will see BBC News HD following the move to Broadcasting House? If so, would they "do a Sky" by having 16:9 safe graphics on the HD channel and 4:3 on the SD channel?
Oh, I like them. Much better than before. The next BBC News graphics redesign may now be 16:9 safe with only the clock in the 4:3 safe area. I was wondering when the switch would happen on the channels.
Hmm - I suspect they will want a common look for BBC News and BBC World News where possible - and BBC World News is still broadcast 4:3 centre-cut and 14:9 letterbox in some territories isn't it?
How likely is it we will see BBC News HD following the move to Broadcasting House? If so, would they "do a Sky" by having 16:9 safe graphics on the HD channel and 4:3 on the SD channel?
PE
Pete
Founding member
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/2011/04/digital-on-screen-graphics-res.shtml
The last question is my favourite of course.
Quote:
How do people feel about DOGs?
Despite the fact that they are rarely noticed and their usefulness in identifying the channel, the research did show that the audience have mixed views about DOGs:
around a quarter of all TV viewers hold negative views about DOGs
a similar proportion (27% ) are broadly accepting of them
around half of do not have consistently strong views either ways
The research also shows that even amongst those who dislike DOGs, many still agree (4 in 10) that they play a helpful role in identifying the channel; so, although they may irritate, they can at least see the point of them. A minority of people (11%) both don’t like them in principle and don’t find them useful .
DOGs are changing
As of 4 April 2011 we’ll be moving our DOGs to help improve your viewing experience.
What has changed?
The BBC has moved the Digital On-Screen Graphics (DOGs) on its digital channels to a wide-screen (16:9) position further towards the top left hand corner of the screen. Up until now DOGs have been set for old-style (4:3) sets which meant that on wide-screen TVs they appeared closer to the centre of the screen.
Why has it changed?
We moved the DOGs to this position on our HD channels at the start of 2011 and received positive audience feedback on the improved viewing experience. Internal BBC surveys indicate that over half of all TV sets are now widescreen, though that rises to over 80% of TVs in the living-room. So in order to ensure the best possible viewing experience for audiences in the future we feel that now is the time to make this change.
What do I do if the DOG on my screen is obscured?
Don't worry. This will be because you have a digital TV box linked to an old style (4:3) TV and have the viewing option set to "centre cut-out". All you need to do is reset your viewing options to "letterbox". This way you will also be able to see more of the picture too.
I hope that helps explain the thinking behind why we have DOGs, and the way in which we tailor our services in a way that ensures they cater for the BBC’s large and varied audience in the best way possible.
Despite the fact that they are rarely noticed and their usefulness in identifying the channel, the research did show that the audience have mixed views about DOGs:
around a quarter of all TV viewers hold negative views about DOGs
a similar proportion (27% ) are broadly accepting of them
around half of do not have consistently strong views either ways
The research also shows that even amongst those who dislike DOGs, many still agree (4 in 10) that they play a helpful role in identifying the channel; so, although they may irritate, they can at least see the point of them. A minority of people (11%) both don’t like them in principle and don’t find them useful .
DOGs are changing
As of 4 April 2011 we’ll be moving our DOGs to help improve your viewing experience.
What has changed?
The BBC has moved the Digital On-Screen Graphics (DOGs) on its digital channels to a wide-screen (16:9) position further towards the top left hand corner of the screen. Up until now DOGs have been set for old-style (4:3) sets which meant that on wide-screen TVs they appeared closer to the centre of the screen.
Why has it changed?
We moved the DOGs to this position on our HD channels at the start of 2011 and received positive audience feedback on the improved viewing experience. Internal BBC surveys indicate that over half of all TV sets are now widescreen, though that rises to over 80% of TVs in the living-room. So in order to ensure the best possible viewing experience for audiences in the future we feel that now is the time to make this change.
What do I do if the DOG on my screen is obscured?
Don't worry. This will be because you have a digital TV box linked to an old style (4:3) TV and have the viewing option set to "centre cut-out". All you need to do is reset your viewing options to "letterbox". This way you will also be able to see more of the picture too.
I hope that helps explain the thinking behind why we have DOGs, and the way in which we tailor our services in a way that ensures they cater for the BBC’s large and varied audience in the best way possible.
The last question is my favourite of course.
PC
On the overnight Learning Zone, they have also managed to move the 'BBC TWO' DOG to the 16:9 area in line with the recent changes. The graphic itself is still the good old 1997 logo!
AG
Still using the old logo though.
Shock! The Learning Zone BBC2 DOG is now transparent! (After 14 years?)
Still using the old logo though.
MS
Slightly off topic perhaps, but it was comforting yet slightly odd to see that they are still playing the old GCSE Bitesize videos that I watched to revise for my GCSEs 11 years ago. Have GCSEs really not changed that much!? I'd be surprised these days if anybody actually watched them!
On the overnight Learning Zone, they have also managed to move the 'BBC TWO' DOG to the 16:9 area in line with the recent changes. The graphic itself is still the good old 1997 logo!
Slightly off topic perhaps, but it was comforting yet slightly odd to see that they are still playing the old GCSE Bitesize videos that I watched to revise for my GCSEs 11 years ago. Have GCSEs really not changed that much!? I'd be surprised these days if anybody actually watched them!
GA
Some things have changed. I think you'll find that the same poems and books are used for Literature. Certainly in Geography we still use the same videos. Most processes still work the same!
Gareth
Founding member
Slightly off topic perhaps, but it was comforting yet slightly odd to see that they are still playing the old GCSE Bitesize videos that I watched to revise for my GCSEs 11 years ago. Have GCSEs really not changed that much!? I'd be surprised these days if anybody actually watched them!
Some things have changed. I think you'll find that the same poems and books are used for Literature. Certainly in Geography we still use the same videos. Most processes still work the same!
VM
I love the Learning Zone's branding, purely for the fact its the last remaining channel (well, programming block) to use the 1997 branding which I think still stands to this day. It's like going back to 1999, days of BBC Knowledge till midday and whatnot.
On the overnight Learning Zone, they have also managed to move the 'BBC TWO' DOG to the 16:9 area in line with the recent changes. The graphic itself is still the good old 1997 logo!
I love the Learning Zone's branding, purely for the fact its the last remaining channel (well, programming block) to use the 1997 branding which I think still stands to this day. It's like going back to 1999, days of BBC Knowledge till midday and whatnot.