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Good to see signs that News 24 is moving ahead of Sky News

Hmmm... I wonder if Richard Sambrook is making a like-for-like comparison when he says that "News 24 and Sky News are neck-and-neck", and using *only* the figures for people watching N24 on DSAT, DTT and cable... knowing what the BBC's like, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's factoring in the simulcasting on BBC-1.

It's a bit like the BBC's habit of claiming loudly that BBC-1's all-day share is higher than ITV's (which is true), but then mysteriously failing to mention that in prime-time - the most important time of day for any TV channel, but especially commercial ones - ITV is some 4.2 share points ahead of BBC-1 (and the gap increased slightly in 2003).

That said, the BBC has obviously been looking carefully at Sky News for inspiration for its latest relaunch...
Marcus1,289 posts since 2 Jul 2001
Ste posted:
Marcus posted:
This from Richard Sambrook, Head of BBC News

The reports of "zero-rating" are almost entirely based on overnight figures: hardly any other digital channel broadcasts through the night
Sky News also scores zero overnight: in some of the weekend figures, Sky News had 0 viewers at 0215 (when News 24 at that point at 17,000)... And Sky also got 0 viewers at 0230, 0315 and 0500
In any case, News 24 overnight is simulcast on BBC One where it's watched by hundreds of thousands of viewers.



But the up to 80 million overseas viewers of Sky News are not included in these figures, or are the many hundreds og thousands of viewers watching simucasts of Sky News on terrestrial channels throughout the world.


Well he didn't mention the 205 million reach of News24 when broadcasting on BBC World
Marcus1,289 posts since 2 Jul 2001
Glorfindel posted:
Good to see signs that News 24 is moving ahead of Sky News

Hmmm... I wonder if Richard Sambrook is making a like-for-like comparison when he says that "News 24 and Sky News are neck-and-neck", and using *only* the figures for people watching N24 on DSAT, DTT and cable... knowing what the BBC's like, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's factoring in the simulcasting on BBC-1.

It's a bit like the BBC's habit of claiming loudly that BBC-1's all-day share is higher than ITV's (which is true), but then mysteriously failing to mention that in prime-time - the most important time of day for any TV channel, but especially commercial ones - ITV is some 4.2 share points ahead of BBC-1 (and the gap increased slightly in 2003).

That said, the BBC has obviously been looking carefully at Sky News for inspiration for its latest relaunch...


Off course he quotes the figures most favourable to the BBC. He would be stupid not to. And likewise all the others quote the figures most anti BBC. I think that was the point he was making
Ste1,172 posts since 22 Jun 2001
Marcus posted:


Well he didn't mention the 205 million reach of News24 when broadcasting on BBC World


Its a seperate channel, even overnight BBC World and News 24 are not the same for any longer than 20mins per hour.
Marcus1,289 posts since 2 Jul 2001
Ste posted:
Marcus posted:


Well he didn't mention the 205 million reach of News24 when broadcasting on BBC World


Its a seperate channel, even overnight BBC World and News 24 are not the same for any longer than 20mins per hour.


Well 25'30 actually. Did you get the info from Sky News?
sparkiestu194 posts since 3 Jul 2003
Adam posted:
How can BBC7 cost more than News 24?!


I know it's been a bit of a struggle on the repeat fee issue, I think the contracts have been renogiated twice at least (with the money obviously going up) - but I don't think it costs more than News 24 - perhaps a misprint?

Stu
A former member
bloodmakesnoise posted:

Whats the point in spending millions when no one is watching?


Using that argument, we wouldn't have any TV or Radio at all!
A former member
Adam posted:
How can BBC7 cost more than News 24?!


It does seem strange, but then News 24 shares facilities and programme material with other parts of news.
tombas47270 posts since 9 Jan 2004
I'm not surprised that News 24 has low rating figures during the evening. Why don't they include some programmes during the night that they show during the day like Click Online or Hardtalk?
Moz5,469 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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bloodmakesnoise posted:
noggin posted:
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Just because you're not intelligent enough to appreciate BBC Four, don't criticise those of us who do enjoy it. Here's what's on tonight...
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Any need for that ridiculous piece of abuse?


See....you can't even post properly! Rolling Eyes

No, seriously, my point was that you're criticizing BBC Four as being boring. My point is it has intelligent programmes which some people do find interesting - a relief from the hours of mindless pap on other channels.

To write it off as 'BBC Bore' is a little bit childish.


Hark at Little Mister Perfect.


No, the reason my reply looked strange, and your reply to that, and also this reply, was because in quoting you, the mistake you made screws up all future replies.

It was only a joke anyway!
Marcus1,289 posts since 2 Jul 2001
tombas47 posted:
I'm not surprised that News 24 has low rating figures during the evening. Why don't they include some programmes during the night that they show during the day like Click Online or Hardtalk?


It doesn't have low figures during the evening. That time of day it gets it's highest figures. The lowest figures are overnight, when the service is on BBC1 anyway.

And Hardtalk is shown at 0430
Re-it-er-ate3,758 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Marcus posted:
tombas47 posted:
I'm not surprised that News 24 has low rating figures during the evening. Why don't they include some programmes during the night that they show during the day like Click Online or Hardtalk?


It doesn't have low figures during the evening. That time of day it gets it's highest figures. The lowest figures are overnight, when the service is on BBC1 anyway.

And Hardtalk is shown at 0430


And 2330 - so take youre pick.

I think the biggest problem was moving Business Today to 10.30. It should have stayed at 20.30 with the WBR presenters. That means that the programme schedule doesn't get shoved back and hour, and Tanya can unwind an hour earler!