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We pay for the BBC so we should get to decide what is aired (September 2005)

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GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
hollyforum.com posted:
Commercial TV is VIRTUALLY free, not completely free. But the BBC is obviously the one you mainly pay for which we have no control over.


It's only VIRTUALLY free if you don't ever buy anything from the shops. I can guarantee that any normal person spends more than £120 supplementing commercial television over the course of a year.

Just how naive can you be?
TR
TROGGLES
hollyforum.com posted:
Commercial TV is VIRTUALLY free, not completely free. But the BBC is obviously the one you mainly pay for which we have no control over.

How is it virtually free when everytime you shop you pay for it? Can you ask for £10 off your Tesco bill because you don't watch the adverts.
The BBC is part of British culture and protects whats left of Britain from even more Americanisation or Murdochisation - the two are virtually the same. Once ITV is American owned - and it will come, it will leave the BBC to produce British programming. Compare what ITV makes in revenue to what the BBC costs and then compare the actual output and there is no comparison the BBC wins 50 times over.
PO
Pootle5
hollyforum.com posted:
From profit margins. In a way, yes ITV are getting a small amount of the money you would pay. But we don't directly pay. We pay directly for the BBC via the TV License. Most people pay just over £10 of which 80% will go to the BBC in one stage. Howeer, through a pair of trainers, it will take several stages before the money would get to ITV with going to the shop then the material costs then the labour costs then the transport costs then the company would get the profit margin of which they would pay commercial channels to air their adverts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/


The consumer still pays - in the end - for the advertising which funds the programmes! They get their profit margins from the money the general public pays out on the goods. ITV is not "free".
HO
hollyforum.com
But think about the millions of people which shop at Tesco each day. So 1 persons £10 cannot go straight to ITV. And yes, you're very right about ITV and the BBC but when ITV does become American owned, we will be forced to watch masses of documentarys. That is what this thread is about. Not me trying to prove to everybody that ITV pays for itself, but that the BBC show too many documentarys. And as we pay DIRECTLY to the BBC, we should be able to change the course of the channel.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
hollyforum.com posted:
But think about the millions of people which shop at Tesco each day. So 1 persons £10 cannot go straight to ITV. And yes, you're very right about ITV and the BBC but when ITV does become American owned, we will be forced to watch masses of documentarys. That is what this thread is about. Not me trying to prove to everybody that ITV pays for itself, but that the BBC show too many documentarys. And as we pay DIRECTLY to the BBC, we should be able to change the course of the channel.


Heaven forbid you might watch and learn something in one the "many documentarys" [sic].

With 7 television channels for your licence (which somehow I doubt you pay anyway) I can hardly beleive you don't have an alternative to watch during one of these numerous docs you refer to.
PO
Pootle5
hollyforum.com posted:
But think about the millions of people which shop at Tesco each day. So 1 persons £10 cannot go straight to ITV. And yes, you're very right about ITV and the BBC but when ITV does become American owned, we will be forced to watch masses of documentarys. That is what this thread is about. Not me trying to prove to everybody that ITV pays for itself, but that the BBC show too many documentarys. And as we pay DIRECTLY to the BBC, we should be able to change the course of the channel.


In my opinion the BBC don't show enough documentaries, and I doubt very much that ITV will be advertiser friendly if they swamp it with documentaries - and no one will be "forced" to watch anything...
TR
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hollyforum.com posted:
But think about the millions of people which shop at Tesco each day. So 1 persons £10 cannot go straight to ITV. And yes, you're very right about ITV and the BBC but when ITV does become American owned, we will be forced to watch masses of documentarys. That is what this thread is about. Not me trying to prove to everybody that ITV pays for itself, but that the BBC show too many documentarys. And as we pay DIRECTLY to the BBC, we should be able to change the course of the channel.

The BBC is accountable, they have the BBC advisory councils. I completely agree that the BBC should be more accountable and the BBC will be even more accountable in the next licence fee period. That is more reaction to viewers and listeners unlike ITV who rely on focus groups.
Incidentally the last figure I saw showed that it costs £120,000 per 10 seconds for an ad on ITV (England & Wales) either side and during Coronation street.
HO
hollyforum.com
OMG! you all actually watch BBC Documentarys. They are VERY VERY boring! I'm off from all of you sad acts, I'm going to re-join the digital spy forum which dosen't have members which constantly over-rule what other members have to say and don't moan at people for having their own opinions.
WI
Wicko
We do decide what is watched on the BBC by actually watching it! It would be totally wrong of the BBC not to make programmes by new programme makers as, in reflection as what Holly said, we all pay a TV licence. Programme makers included. However, if the show is not proved a success when aired then it will not be recommissioned. Whether ITV, C4 or whoever, make programmes, it's viewer figures that count. There will always be an audience for completely different styles of programming....it is the BBC's role to provide those programmes even if someone else doesn't like them.
TR
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But I thought that this was a forum for intellegent debate, I value and consider everyones opinion.
PO
Pootle5
hollyforum.com posted:
OMG! you all actually watch BBC Documentarys. They are VERY VERY boring! I'm off from all of you sad acts, I'm going to re-join the digital spy forum which dosen't have members which constantly over-rule what other members have to say and don't moan at people for having their own opinions.


I accept your opinion, but I don't agree with it – I’m sorry you can’t handle the debate. Perhaps you wouldn't be so inept and naive if you tried to watch a few documentaries and learnt something about how the world works…
HO
hollyforum.com
Thanks for respecting my opinion. The comment last made dosen't apply to a few people obviously, as there have been people on this forum which have not tried to moan at me for having an opinion. You are one of those people who it dosen't apply to because you have in fact backed me up in many posts I have made in my very short stay. But having not watch documentaries is completely down to education life. Having been in school for the past 13 years which is now drawing to a close, and college, maybe university ahead of me, documentarys about the world become very frustrating and you need a break from learning. I can see where other people are coming from being able to watch documentarys without getting bored byt that could just be as simpleas you being bored by some TV that I watch. So thanks to those few people who have been nice over the past few days but other people, no thanks.

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