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We pay for the BBC so we should get to decide what is aired (September 2005)

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HO
hollyforum.com
We pay for the BBC via our TV licenses. I think that we should get to decide what is commissioned on the BBC. And we should also get to decide when it gets a new look and what the new look should be by polls It isnt fair that we're paying for it and they're just dumping on any old rubbish that we wont watch.
LL
Lottie Long-Legs
Not this hoary old chestnut again.

So, we don't pay for ITV then? Or Sky? Or any commercial broadcaster, for that matter?
TR
TROGGLES
Skytower posted:
Not this hoary old chestnut again.

So, we don't pay for ITV then? Or Sky? Or any commercial broadcaster, for that matter?

. . . through the nose
HO
hollyforum.com
no we dont. commercial channels are funded by adverts. the bbc is the network we pay for through the tv license which is why they dont have adverts and they don't have to cover up labels on live tv
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tvmercia Founding member
hollyforum.com posted:
no we dont. commercial channels are funded by adverts. the bbc is the network we pay for through the tv license which is why they dont have adverts and they don't have to cover up labels on live tv


and where do the corporations who pay for adverts on itv get their money from? their magic money trees?

you are very dense
HO
hollyforum.com
tvmercia posted:


and where do the corporations who pay for adverts on itv get their money from? their magic money trees?

you are very dense


They begin as a very small company and as they begin to make more money, the begin to branch out into posters. Then word has got around, they make a bit more money then advertise on radio. Then eventually, they begin to advertise tiny amounts on TV and after making a lot more money, advertise a whole lot more paying ITV, Channel 4, Sky etc more and more money to advertise. Then eventually, you end up with a massive global brand like Nike which made it big in less than 30 years which is a very short time for this sort of thing.
PO
Pootle5
hollyforum.com posted:
tvmercia posted:


and where do the corporations who pay for adverts on itv get their money from? their magic money trees?

you are very dense


They begin as a very small company and as they begin to make more money, the begin to branch out into posters. Then word has got around, they make a bit more money then advertise on radio. Then eventually, they begin to advertise tiny amounts on TV and after making a lot more money, advertise a whole lot more paying ITV, Channel 4, Sky etc more and more money to advertise. Then eventually, you end up with a massive global brand like Nike which made it big in less than 30 years which is a very short time for this sort of thing.


So exactly where are they making all this money from then? Not the huge mark-ups on the price of a pair of Nike trainers that the general public buy by any chance?

It really is simple, you pay for ITV etc. through the products that you buy that have been advertised on those channels. If you became self-sufficient and bought no consumer goods then you may actually get "free" television.
HO
hollyforum.com
From profit margins. In a way, yes ITV are getting a small amount of the money you would pay. But we don't directly pay. We pay directly for the BBC via the TV License. Most people pay just over £10 of which 80% will go to the BBC in one stage. Howeer, through a pair of trainers, it will take several stages before the money would get to ITV with going to the shop then the material costs then the labour costs then the transport costs then the company would get the profit margin of which they would pay commercial channels to air their adverts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/
TR
TROGGLES
Pootle5 posted:
hollyforum.com posted:
tvmercia posted:


and where do the corporations who pay for adverts on itv get their money from? their magic money trees?

you are very dense


They begin as a very small company and as they begin to make more money, the begin to branch out into posters. Then word has got around, they make a bit more money then advertise on radio. Then eventually, they begin to advertise tiny amounts on TV and after making a lot more money, advertise a whole lot more paying ITV, Channel 4, Sky etc more and more money to advertise. Then eventually, you end up with a massive global brand like Nike which made it big in less than 30 years which is a very short time for this sort of thing.


So exactly where are they making all this money from then? Not the huge mark-ups on the price of a pair of Nike trainers that the general public buy by any chance?

It really is simple, you pay for ITV etc. through the products that you buy that have been advertised on those channels. If you became self-sufficient and bought no consumer goods then you may actually get "free" television.

Even then the TV you watch telly on will have been advertised somewhere. I just don't understand why people think commercial TV is free. It is easily the most expensive form of television ever invented - and you have no control over any of it.
HO
hollyforum.com
Commercial TV is VIRTUALLY free, not completely free. But the BBC is obviously the one you mainly pay for which we have no control over.
PO
Pootle5
TROGGLES posted:
Pootle5 posted:
hollyforum.com posted:
tvmercia posted:


and where do the corporations who pay for adverts on itv get their money from? their magic money trees?

you are very dense


They begin as a very small company and as they begin to make more money, the begin to branch out into posters. Then word has got around, they make a bit more money then advertise on radio. Then eventually, they begin to advertise tiny amounts on TV and after making a lot more money, advertise a whole lot more paying ITV, Channel 4, Sky etc more and more money to advertise. Then eventually, you end up with a massive global brand like Nike which made it big in less than 30 years which is a very short time for this sort of thing.


So exactly where are they making all this money from then? Not the huge mark-ups on the price of a pair of Nike trainers that the general public buy by any chance?

It really is simple, you pay for ITV etc. through the products that you buy that have been advertised on those channels. If you became self-sufficient and bought no consumer goods then you may actually get "free" television.

Even then the TV you watch telly on will have been advertised somewhere. I just don't understand why people think commercial TV is free. It is easily the most expensive form of television ever invented - and you have no control over any of it.


You are exactly right Troggles.

Apart from viewers deciding whether or not to watch, it is the needs of advertisers that has most influence over the programming on ITV etc. That's why they shift programmes so quickly if they don't work, rely too much on formulaic dramas and soaps, and don't (can't) experiment much (although ITV have tried more recently).

The BBC Governers recognise the Corporation needs to be more accountable, and I think Michael Grade is trying to do that.
TR
TROGGLES
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