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BBC confirms ditching Children's programmes from BBC1, BBC2 (May 2012)

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JO
Jonny
BBC HD is due to remain after the launch of BBC Two HD.

Where's your source? All information we've heard until now says that BBC HD will close to make way for BBC Two HD.

No, there have been a few posts recently hinting at a u-turn and the retention of BBC HD post 2 HD (I think enabled by C5's decision to walk away from the fifth Freeview HD slot?).

And I believe thegeek is a BBC employee, so less shouty, k?
AC
aconnell
Jonny posted:
BBC HD is due to remain after the launch of BBC Two HD.

Where's your source? All information we've heard until now says that BBC HD will close to make way for BBC Two HD.

No, there have been a few posts recently hinting at a u-turn and the retention of BBC HD post 2 HD.

And I believe thegeek is a BBC employee, so less shouty, k?


I wasn't being shouty, it was more surprise. I didn't know he was a BBC employee, so obviously his credibility has shot right up. Plus, it's very very good news as well, so I'm happy!
EX
excel99
The only original CITV programmes in recent years appears to be Horrid Henry and the revived Fort Boyard, which is actually a co-production and not a "made for CITV" production as such.

Sooty
Olly the White Van Man
Annabel's Kitchen
Tati's Hotel
Bookaboo
Signed Stories
Cool Stuff Collective
And probably a few more

All new commissions for CITV since the CITV Channel was started. Most of them within the last year or so
NW
nwtv2003
The only original CITV programmes in recent years appears to be Horrid Henry and the revived Fort Boyard, which is actually a co-production and not a "made for CITV" production as such.

Sooty
Olly the White Van Man
Annabel's Kitchen
Tati's Hotel
Bookaboo
Signed Stories
Cool Stuff Collective
And probably a few more

All new commissions for CITV since the CITV Channel was started. Most of them within the last year or so


Note that all these commissions have come from Indies and not from ITV Studios, which I believe doesent have a children's dept as they shut down 'Granada Kids' a few years ago. I can't help think that some of the commissions are a result of the breakfast licence, especially more so now that they no longer have Disney programming easily available to them.
SG
SatGold
So whenevery analogue is closed down there be no point for late night/early morning bbc news on bbc one and bbc two infact no newsif childrens programmes are to vanish of the main bbc channels because it has its own cbbc channel why not news they have their own channel leaving bbc one and two for entertainment and factual programming and sport.
:-(
A former member
Its turning into sky one!
GH
George Hill
So whenevery analogue is closed down there be no point for late night/early morning bbc news on bbc one and bbc two infact no newsif childrens programmes are to vanish of the main bbc channels because it has its own cbbc channel why not news they have their own channel leaving bbc one and two for entertainment and factual programming and sport.


That is definitely an argument which will be put to the BBC over the coming years. It won't happen in the near future, due to commitments to provide news to a wide variety of audiences - but this certainly gives weight to the argument. During Wimbeldon when the news can sometimes be moved to BBC 2 due to a game over running could be the first time we see change. They may just announce the bulletin is on the News channel, instead of messing up the two schedule. But these instances are only going to be very rare.
IS
Inspector Sands
I can't see the self contained flagship news bulletins on BBC1 disappearing any time soon. The news channel simulcast on BBC1 will probably stay after DSO too. There's little point in terms of viewer choice but there's no reason why they shouldn't if they've nothing else constructive to do with it... it's not as if it costs anything.
CH
chris
So whenevery analogue is closed down there be no point for late night/early morning bbc news on bbc one and bbc two infact no newsif childrens programmes are to vanish of the main bbc channels because it has its own cbbc channel why not news they have their own channel leaving bbc one and two for entertainment and factual programming and sport.


That is definitely an argument which will be put to the BBC over the coming years. It won't happen in the near future, due to commitments to provide news to a wide variety of audiences - but this certainly gives weight to the argument. During Wimbeldon when the news can sometimes be moved to BBC 2 due to a game over running could be the first time we see change. They may just announce the bulletin is on the News channel, instead of messing up the two schedule. But these instances are only going to be very rare.


The difference is the BBC One news bulletins get much higher ratings than the News Channel, whereas CBBC on BBC One had poorer ratings than the CBBC Channel. I think if CBBC was popular enough on the main channels it would have stayed (perhaps becoming a simulcast of the CBBC channel though, in order to save money). The BBC have given themselves more airtime to fill because of this move.
JO
Justice Once
So whenevery analogue is closed down there be no point for late night/early morning bbc news on bbc one and bbc two infact no newsif childrens programmes are to vanish of the main bbc channels because it has its own cbbc channel why not news they have their own channel leaving bbc one and two for entertainment and factual programming and sport.


That is definitely an argument which will be put to the BBC over the coming years. It won't happen in the near future, due to commitments to provide news to a wide variety of audiences - but this certainly gives weight to the argument. During Wimbeldon when the news can sometimes be moved to BBC 2 due to a game over running could be the first time we see change. They may just announce the bulletin is on the News channel, instead of messing up the two schedule. But these instances are only going to be very rare.


It's also interesting to ponder what it would mean for regional news programmes. It would seem odd for them to still be in the BBC One schedule if not preceded by a national news bulletin. However, if the technical capabaility to split a channel into all the various Nations/Regions/Sub-Regions variants were moved to the News Channel instead, that would raise questions about where to put some/all of the non-news regional programmes (especially occasional "one-region-opting-out-of-network" types of programme).

That said, given that Inside Out (or any equivalent) seems like the sort of thing that could well be scrapped altogether under DQF, and that a Regional Sunday Politics equivalent wouldn't seem too out of place on the News Channel, perhaps such changes aren't inconceivable, at some point in the future?
CH
chris
So whenevery analogue is closed down there be no point for late night/early morning bbc news on bbc one and bbc two infact no newsif childrens programmes are to vanish of the main bbc channels because it has its own cbbc channel why not news they have their own channel leaving bbc one and two for entertainment and factual programming and sport.


That is definitely an argument which will be put to the BBC over the coming years. It won't happen in the near future, due to commitments to provide news to a wide variety of audiences - but this certainly gives weight to the argument. During Wimbeldon when the news can sometimes be moved to BBC 2 due to a game over running could be the first time we see change. They may just announce the bulletin is on the News channel, instead of messing up the two schedule. But these instances are only going to be very rare.


It's also interesting to ponder what it would mean for regional news programmes. It would seem odd for them to still be in the BBC One schedule if not preceded by a national news bulletin. However, if the technical capabaility to split a channel into all the various Nations/Regions/Sub-Regions variants were moved to the News Channel instead, that would raise questions about where to put some/all of the non-news regional programmes (especially occasional "one-region-opting-out-of-network" types of programme).

That said, given that Inside Out (or any equivalent) seems like the sort of thing that could well be scrapped altogether under DQF, and that a Regional Sunday Politics equivalent wouldn't seem too out of place on the News Channel, perhaps such changes aren't inconceivable, at some point in the future?


Obviously it's something that cannot be ruled out ever, but I certainly can't see it happening within the next ten years. Habbits take a long time to change and there is still a perception that News 24 is an inferior service to the national bulletins (despite them being pretty much the same).

People also like to have a set time for a structured bulletin (1, 6 and 10 as it is at the moment). This is possible because of the BBC One bulletins, but if we lost those and breaking news took place at 1, 6 or 10, the News Channel would inevitably want to break away from the structured bulletin, something which many viewers would find frustrating.
MD
mdtauk
If the National News started to loose its viewing figures, then removing the set bulletins from the schedule would be considered I believe. But those structured bulletins would (and should) remain on the News Channel, as a round up of news, rather than continuous coverage of stories.

I normally only watch Newsnight for my news anyway, and not the other bulletins.

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