BBC Sport has been the most noticeable casualty so far and unfortunately doesn't seem to have got the support that those campaigning against radio cuts have generated, saving 6 Music, the Asian Network and significantly reducing the impact on local radio, where it seems shared shows will now be limited to just one all-England evening show on weeknights which stations can opt out of for local sport anyway.
HD productions for CBBC won't necessarily be completely wasted in resolution terms - if programmes are sold internationally, they might get seen in HD, and they may be repeated in future if/when a CBBC HD channel is launched (probably not on Freeview).
HD productions for CBBC won't necessarily be completely wasted in resolution terms - if programmes are sold internationally, they might get seen in HD, and they may be repeated in future if/when a CBBC HD channel is launched (probably not on Freeview).
Am I right in thinking the BBC can't launch HD channels on just one platform, say Virgin, without launching them on the other platforms, the idea being that all pay the same license fee so all should get the same facilities? Or am I making this up?
They are supposed to be platform neutral, but it seems to be as and when suits really. They have no concern about the 24 HD/SD Olympic channels not being available on Freeview, but are then hiding behind the capacity limitations on Freeview as justification for axing all but one red button stream following the games on Sky, Freesat and Cable.
The question is will it continue once it's lost its presence on the main channel? Out of sight, out of mind and all that...
But the CBBC channel already gets higher ratings than CBBC One does when they're on at the same time (well it was last time I checked). With any luck this'll give a boost to Blue Peter which aside from Newsround is the only first-run show on BBC1, so really it's been more hidden away on BBC1 than it would have been on a digital channel.
It's actually premiered on CBBC Channel on Thursday and repeated on BBC One on Friday. There is actually nothing original on BBC One, it is all repeats.
Oh really? Has it been like that for long?
BP made the switch in January, it was always premiered on BBC One before that. The main Newsround bulletin still airs only on BBC One but now they come from the same studio as the updates on the CBBC channel there's less to distinguish them, and I imagine with a schedule reshuffle it could be accomodated.
There was one exception earlier this year - the lengthy series of BP specials about Helen's Sport Relief trips aired first on BBC One.
One thing that hasn't been explained is how all the masses of airtime will be filled on BBC2 in the mornings, seven days a week. There's only so much "world news and documentary repeats" you can show - children's programming takes up most of the morning most of the week!
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Ceefax! The honest truth is there might aswell shut up shop. and try and flog off the air time to some else. Its opens up at 11am - 1am
One thing that hasn't been explained is how all the masses of airtime will be filled on BBC2 in the mornings, seven days a week. There's only so much "world news and documentary repeats" you can show - children's programming takes up most of the morning most of the week!
BBC Learning Zone?
return of The Open Univeristy programmes?
School programming?
Or even worse Classic Eastenders followed Howards Way followed by classic Casualty?
They are supposed to be platform neutral, but it seems to be as and when suits really. They have no concern about the 24 HD/SD Olympic channels not being available on Freeview, but are then hiding behind the capacity limitations on Freeview as justification for axing all but one red button stream following the games on Sky, Freesat and Cable.
I don't really see the red button thing as so important... I don't fully understand why it's such a huge thing for you. I'm genuinely interested, please could you explain?
The main reason it's an issue for me is because broadband in my neck of the woods quite literally isn't up to speed - so being told I can watch stuff I used to watch on TV online instead really grates. The reason it bugs me in relation to the BBC is that they've made absolutely no effort to replace the axed second stream - and after two years of numerous complaints from numerous people their answer to them has been to scale back the Sky/Cable service similarly.
I've no issue at all with the 24 streams being on the platforms that can handle them and would never expect them on Freeview, but it is ridiculous that for London 2012 Freeview viewers will actually get less coverage than in Beijing - especially as when the bid was won back in 2005 it seems likely that with DSO complete by 2012 the Freeview offering would be more comparable to Satellite and Cable, rather than going completely the opposite way.
OK, we get HD (and though at the time I berated closing a mux to make way for HD in hindsight that was very short sighted) but already with the imminent closure of BBC HD to be replaced by BBC2 HD the HD service is in some ways about to get worse - and although the Connected App looks brilliant for those in areas where broadband is sufficiently quick enough to use it and the flexibility TV over IP offers is much more appropriate for providing such streams I struggle now to get excited by such things as just when they get to the point of mastering the damn thing they'll probably neglect it and move on to the next big thing.
I know the BBC aren't going to stop making children's programming but I thought it would be interested to share this point of view from an ex-CITV star whose show ended when ITV cut its children's department.
My Parents Are Aliens should've ended a year earlier anyway. The final series was retool with a new set and new kids - pointless in hindsight.
I know the BBC aren't going to stop making children's programming but I thought it would be interested to share this point of view from an ex-CITV star whose show ended when ITV cut its children's department.
Well he speaking crap itv still make children programs, yes it not a lot but there do make some.
Mr Gardner is not "speaking crap".
The only original CITV programmes in recent years appears to be Horrid Henry and the revived Fort Boyard, which is actually a co-production and not a "made for CITV" production as such. Everything else went out the window years ago, aside from the aforementioned, the CITV Channel appears to consist purely of things made for the main ITV1 service between 1999 and 2006 with various other imports.
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My Parents Are Aliens should've ended a year earlier anyway. The final series was retool with a new set and new kids - pointless in hindsight.
Quite why Series 8 of MPAA was ever made is probably one of life's great mysteries. Complete makeovers of established shows rarely work. TV history is litttered with examples.
With regards to the original topic, not really surprising that CBBC is removed from the main channels, they've had a "tacked on" feeling for a while now and if truth be told I'm surprised that 3-5:15pm CBBC One slot wasn't dropped ages ago.
With regards to the original topic, not really surprising that CBBC is removed from the main channels, they've had a "tacked on" feeling for a while now and if truth be told I'm surprised that 3-5:15pm CBBC One slot wasn't dropped ages ago.
I've never understood why they didn't simply simulcast with the CBBC Channel between 3-5.15pm. With so many budget cuts happening, surely this would have been an obvious answer? Besides, they are effectively halving their audience by playing out two different CBBC feeds for 2 hours a day...
They used to do it in the early days of Digital (who else remembers the daily "We'll have to say goodbye to our analogue viewers there... *awkward pause whilst looking to camera* ... but we're STILL live here on Digital!").
