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BBC admit credits are unreadable

But viewers "value" the ECPs (February 2008)

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Brekkie
rdobbie posted:
If ever there was evidence of why credit sequences should be regarded as an integral part of the show and shouldn't be arsed about with, I present this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEqEQrSvGiM

The end sequence from Howards Way in 1988. Nearly 2 minutes long. You really must watch it in full to appreciate its beauty.



Just think how many promos the BBC could play out over that! Wink


A key problem with credits today is unlike in America, the programme isn't allowed to sign off before viewers are treated to the ECP.


US programmes do feel as if they come to an end by just fading to black and having a couple of pages of credits before the ECP/main credits begin - and I think that makes all the difference really.
JO
Joe
tvarksouthwest posted:
StuartPlymouth posted:
When you look at BBC channels (for example, and by no means the worst) they have slowly progressed from:
Arrow Ever increasing trailers, to
Arrow ECPs taking up ever more room on the screen, to
Arrow IPPs (slugs) on some channels during the last few moments of a programme.

In an official response on the BBC Complaints website about "too many trails", the BBC says it believes viewers want to be informed about other programmes and the range of BBC Services. I can fully accept that. But in their typical Auntie-knows-best reply, the BBC do not acknowledge there are other ways to achieve that, ie. more spoken pointers during the junctions.


To be fair, if there's going to be promotion, I'd rather watch a trailer than have the announcer talk.
DB
dbl
Brekkie posted:

A key problem with credits today is unlike in America, the programme isn't allowed to sign off before viewers are treated to the ECP.


US programmes do feel as if they come to an end by just fading to black and having a couple of pages of credits before the ECP/main credits begin - and I think that makes all the difference really.

Also a cut off point where BitTorrent uploaders in the US edit out Wink
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tvarksouthwest
Jugalug posted:
To be fair, if there's going to be promotion, I'd rather watch a trailer than have the announcer talk.

But that is the only method of promotion used nowadays. Why can't we have both, if only for punctuation?
JO
Joe
It would be nice to have a mixture, yes, you're right. Would be better than using the same trailer constantly now I think about it!
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tvmercia Founding member
rdobbie posted:
If ever there was evidence of why credit sequences should be regarded as an integral part of the show and shouldn't be arsed about with, I present this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEqEQrSvGiM

The end sequence from Howards Way in 1988. Nearly 2 minutes long. You really must watch it in full to appreciate its beauty.

Just listen to that magnificent music by Simon May and look at that breathtaking footage. (The seagull noises at the end are a bit cheesy though, I have to admit).

I miss the days when end sequences weren't treated with contempt by the Beeb.


on one of the series (can't remember which) they actually used a lyrical version of the theme with marti webb singing "always there" over it - which was even better! (which incidentally made it into the charts) not only going on for ever - but preventing the announcer talking over it!

the good old days.

edit: it was series 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLpRSteVsH4

fabulous! and i love the cliff hanger - dulcie gray played a fantastic character
SP
Spencer
Were you also a fan of Anita Dobson's 'Anyone Can Fall In Love' tvm? Wink
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Spencer For Hire posted:
Were you also a fan of Anita Dobson's 'Anyone Can Fall In Love' tvm? Wink


Add Sue Pollard's "Come to me - I am woman" and you have my 80s record collection.
SP
Spencer
Gavin Scott posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
Were you also a fan of Anita Dobson's 'Anyone Can Fall In Love' tvm? Wink


Add Sue Pollard's "Come to me - I am woman" and you have my 80s record collection.


Really? I prefered her number two hit, 'Starting Together'.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Spencer For Hire posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
Were you also a fan of Anita Dobson's 'Anyone Can Fall In Love' tvm? Wink


Add Sue Pollard's "Come to me - I am woman" and you have my 80s record collection.


Really? I prefered her number two hit, 'Starting Together'.


You only bought it to impress her fruity husband.

So did I Sad
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tvmercia Founding member
Spencer For Hire posted:
Gavin Scott posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
Were you also a fan of Anita Dobson's 'Anyone Can Fall In Love' tvm? Wink


Add Sue Pollard's "Come to me - I am woman" and you have my 80s record collection.


Really? I prefered her number two hit, 'Starting Together'.


oh yes - you cant beat a bit of anita dobson!

i also have the sons and daughters album - where fiona and pat sing bosom buddies, i really am giving too much away now!

funny, i heard starting together in a bar last week, haven't heard it for ages! i tap it in to youtube this afternoon and notice that the BBC WM studios appear in the video to it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpaJjVvGvA

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