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BBC admit credits are unreadable

But viewers "value" the ECPs (February 2008)

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Davidjb Founding member
I still think ECP's completely ruin some programmes. To me the credits are the final part of a program and whilst i dont read the credits, its nice to have a proper ending. It's been very noticeable that since the BBC lost Neighbours the ECP comes up very quick when the credits roll and stays up for nearly all of the credit length, even if it brings the credits back up the announcer normally interupts the entire sequence. To me it just interupts the flow of a program. It''s been designed for you to watch from start to finish so why cant we?!
AN
all new Phil
I've got to admit, on the whole, I don't really have a problem with ECPs. ITV's do the job cleanly and allow those who wish to see who was part of the making of a show whatever they want to see. I do have to take exception with the ones on the BBC channels though. They are just so badly designed! There is far too much going on at once, and the text simply doesn't look right on them.
JB
JasonB
How come Scotland dosen't squeeze their credits? Catched Neighbours on the Scottish feed on friday and the credits ran full screen with no announcer, while London gets them squeezed in to a corner.
AL
alisterj
Most people who I know, who arn't TV pres obsessed twenty-somethings don't actually know what ' ECP' means. All of them though hate these things. They do ruin the end of programmes and I have the radio times to tell me what's on next. I'm 17, I'm not stupid, and I don't need the announcer to start telling me what's on next. In fact, it makes me more inclined to change channel than to stick with it.

Why not just have a ticker thing at the top, a strap? Saying what's next. No fuss. And then we can all read the credits if we want to. (You know, by all means immediately after the programme, they can have a big thing saying what's on all their channels, no problem there). But wait. Don't p*ss us off by interrupting the end of a programme.

And don't make excuses for ratings, or whatever. All this media-talk "keeping the viewer from switching over" claptrap. If I want to switch over I do.
DE
deejay
Whichever management guru came up with the phrase:

make viewing choices while credits roll and value some information on the relevant viewing options available to them across the BBC portfolio

needs simply to win this month's game of Bullsh*t Bingo straight away...
JO
Johnny83
I think they're rather pointless, what was wrong with them running the credits then having a static slide/menu afterwards.

I also hate the NEED for end credits on the BBC to be cut to around 10 seconds, why MUST they be cut, management is obviously completely clueless when it comes to end credits.
RH
Rhysey
I have to agree that I am more inclined to switch over when any channel starts playing its ECPs. I don't like ITV's and never have done... generic credits for all shows just devoids all their output of identity.

Thank goodness that for the most part on BBC Wales we get the credits full screen with little more than a continuity announcement, but the odd occasion we get a video squeeze it drives me insane.
BR
Brekkie
The trouble with alot of ECPs is they are just used to illustrate what the continuity announcer is telling us, and therefore pointless. I don't mind so much if they actually feature a promo.
MD
mdtauk
What about the Blind viewers using audio description, they need the voice over to tell them what is on next etc...
RE
Reboot
Johnny83 posted:
I also hate the NEED for end credits on the BBC to be cut to around 10 seconds, why MUST they be cut, management is obviously completely clueless when it comes to end credits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/credits/

The limit is 30 seconds (specifically, 'between 25” and 30”'), except for live magazine/sport/news shows.
TV
tvarksouthwest
StuartPlymouth posted:
When you look at BBC channels (for example, and by no means the worst) they have slowly progressed from:
Arrow Ever increasing trailers, to
Arrow ECPs taking up ever more room on the screen, to
Arrow IPPs (slugs) on some channels during the last few moments of a programme.

In an official response on the BBC Complaints website about "too many trails", the BBC says it believes viewers want to be informed about other programmes and the range of BBC Services. I can fully accept that. But in their typical Auntie-knows-best reply, the BBC do not acknowledge there are other ways to achieve that, ie. more spoken pointers during the junctions.
RD
rdobbie
If ever there was evidence of why credit sequences should be regarded as an integral part of the show and shouldn't be arsed about with, I present this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEqEQrSvGiM

The end sequence from Howards Way in 1988. Nearly 2 minutes long. You really must watch it in full to appreciate its beauty.

Just listen to that magnificent music by Simon May and look at that breathtaking footage. (The seagull noises at the end are a bit cheesy though, I have to admit).

I miss the days when end sequences weren't treated with contempt by the Beeb.

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