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(July 2014)

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timbouk
I'm currently reading the excellence book 'Morning Glory: A History of British Breakfast History' by Ian Jones.

It mentions a weekday BBC 2 breakfast programme called 'Westminster On-Line'. Does anyone have more information about this programme? Who presented it and howlong did it last?
DV
dvboy
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WESTMINSTER ON LINE SERVICE TO START UP
Monday 6 February 1995 | 00:00 CET | News
UK: Westminster On Line, 45-min live BBC TV programme, will start broadcasting at 08:15 Mondays-Thursdays on 06 February 1995, in which MPs can be questioned by viewers via the Internet, information highway connecting over 30 mil computer users globally. The daily format and the ease of access which the Internet provides means that people will be able to take part in the UK's political life more significantly, according to Richard Clemmow, BBC live political programmes editor. For viewers not connected to the Internet, MPs can also be questioned via videophone, fax or telephone. The BBC is hoping that all E-mail contacts will be replied to personally. Article discusses new service in further detail.

http://www.telecompaper.com/news/westminster-on-line-service-to-start-up--47941

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first tx. of "WESTMINSTER ON-LINE" (BBC-1).

Monday 06 February 1995

First programme of the daily early morning Monday-Thursday political phone-in programme. First programme hosted by Sarah Baxter, Tuesday by Sir Bernard Ingham, Wednesday by Trevor Phillips, and Thursday by Andrew Neil. It was the first BBC-TV programme to make use of video phones, the internet, and e.mail.

http://bbctimeline.appspot.com/events/agtiYmN0aW1lbGluZXIMCxIFRXZlbnQYgSkM

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Westminster On-Line is on BBC 2 from 8.15 to 9.00am Monday to Thursday while Parliament is sitting. May 16 is a schools day when pupils will be given priority. But anyone can put questions any day the programme is on air. How to contact Westminster On-Line:Telephone 0345 514614 - local call charges apply throughout the UK, or 0171 222 1679. Fax 0171 973 6283. e-mail address westonline@bbc.co.uk. Live on Internet Relay Chat channel **westonli. Ask questions on **westpublic Information about future guests, quotes from past programmes, and details of how to contact the programme through IRC and other means is on the programme's World Wide Web pages at http:/www.bbc.co.uk/westonline. School enquiries to 0171 973 6213

http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=11097

I can't find any references to it beyond 1995 which suggests it didn't return when parliament returned from its summer break in 1995.
BE
benriggers
dvboy posted:

I can't find any references to it beyond 1995 which suggests it didn't return when parliament returned from its summer break in 1995.


You're right. Times Digital Archive is showing the last edition aired on 20th July 1995.
SW
Steve Williams
Yes, and it wasn't such a huge departure because from the televising of Parliament in 1989 there had always been a daily show around that time on BBC2 reviewing the previous day in Westminster (which continued on a Monday), this was just bumping up the budget a bit. And before it at 8am was the simulcast of Breakfast News, initially just a straight simulcast and then later with sign language. That carried on past 1995, when the CBBC programmes began, but moved to 7am. Don't know when that finished.
NW
nwtv2003
Yes, and it wasn't such a huge departure because from the televising of Parliament in 1989 there had always been a daily show around that time on BBC2 reviewing the previous day in Westminster (which continued on a Monday), this was just bumping up the budget a bit. And before it at 8am was the simulcast of Breakfast News, initially just a straight simulcast and then later with sign language. That carried on past 1995, when the CBBC programmes began, but moved to 7am. Don't know when that finished.

The Breakfast News simulcast was rebranded as See Hear Breakfast News, for a while that was on at 7.30am, then it was pushed back to 7.15am and then 7.00am before it stopped altogether, it had certainly gone by 1997.

Originally when they trialled Children's BBC on BBC2 in the mornings, it was only about an hour long, and the shows were cheap repeats, and they were linked by the on-duty announcer, using the CBBC ident of the time. I gather that during this period that this was experimental before they put IVC on in the mornings altogether.
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A former member
I remember when it moved on a bit, where there would have recorded invision.
BE
benriggers
Originally when they trialled Children's BBC on BBC2 in the mornings, it was only about an hour long, and the shows were cheap repeats, and they were linked by the on-duty announcer, using the CBBC ident of the time. I gather that during this period that this was experimental before they put IVC on in the mornings altogether.


I actually never knew that. When I used to research dates for my clips on Times Digital Archive, I kept seeing CBBC (1995?) at 7am in the listings and just automatically presumed it was the presenter live in the Broom Cupboard.
NW
nwtv2003
Originally when they trialled Children's BBC on BBC2 in the mornings, it was only about an hour long, and the shows were cheap repeats, and they were linked by the on-duty announcer, using the CBBC ident of the time. I gather that during this period that this was experimental before they put IVC on in the mornings altogether.


I actually never knew that. When I used to research dates for my clips on Times Digital Archive, I kept seeing CBBC (1995?) at 7am in the listings and just automatically presumed it was the presenter live in the Broom Cupboard.


Although I couldn't give you an exact date I remember the first era of CBBC on BBC2 in the morning, I seem to recall the first time they did promote CBBC at Breakfast was when they brought in-vision continuity to the slot. This thread made me look on The TV Room Listings page for that time, and there was CBBC showing after 8.00am on one occassion, but it did appear to be for pre-school viewers. But when it comes to TX dates my memory is very hazy.
BU
buster
The autumn of 1994 was when CBBC launched on BBC2 in the morning, but as stated above for a while it was usually a show from the afternoon before repeated along with some archive stuff. And yes it was the BBC2 continuity announcer talking over the hold at the end of the then-new idents. I don't think the continuity from this era was ever live on weekday mornings, except apart from the school holidays, and even that would sometimes kick in live at about 8.30 (you could tell as there was usually minimal camera work from 7am and the presenters were often in CBBC t-shirts sat so they could film the links in one go without mucking up continuity). This was in contrast to the first stab at a breakfast show on weekends in 1993/4, and for around a year before that, when they were live in the broom cupboard. That clip of Noel apologising for the loss of House Party is in the broom cupboard with the Breakfast Show set of the time in place for the following morning.

I think it's documented in Morning Glory that the launch of the BBC2 CBBC Breakfast Show had quite a disastrous effect on GMTV as you suddenly had this and The Big Breakfast competing for the young audience that when they applied for the licence they had assumed would be theirs.
SW
Steve Williams
This was in contrast to the first stab at a breakfast show on weekends in 1993/4, and for around a year before that, when they were live in the broom cupboard. That clip of Noel apologising for the loss of House Party is in the broom cupboard with the Breakfast Show set of the time in place for the following morning.


I can give you chapter and verse on all that. Of course before 1992, CBBC at the weekends was very limited because on Sundays they could only do it from October to January when the Open University was off air, the rest of the year it was just a Playbus repeat on BBC1 at 9am, with the OU and the adult education programmes filling up the rest of the morning. When the OU was off air it was proper Pres A continuity from 7.30am onwards on BBC2 and branded as Now On Two and CBBC2 and BFT2 over the years.*

On Saturdays, it used to be that you'd get Saturday Starts Here before Going Live, initially from the Going Live studio and then in 1989-90 a proper self-contained strand with Wayne Jackman and Clive the Kangaroo, and I remember during the 1990 Commonwealth Games they moved that to BBC2 (with Going Live on BBC1 as usual) whcih was the only time I remember them ever doing that. During the summer it would just be the usual BBC1 globe, and there must have been some kind of budget cut in 1990 because they then did that all year round, announcing over the globe (or on the morning of 16th February 1991, the slides, so not to spoil the globe's unveiling) which is how it stayed until 1992.

I rememebr in the summer of 1992 they started doing the Broom Cupboard on Saturday mornings, and then in February 1993, when the Sunday shows would usually have finished for the OU, seemingly there were now fewer OU programmes because CBBC could now continue all year round. However it couldn't be seamless so they were on BBC1 from 7.30-8.15 and then from 9am on BBC2, and the BBC1 bit was in the Broom Cupboard and specially branded as a "breakfast show", so they took the opportunity to refresh all the branding and everything. Between October and January when there was no OU at all, it could be on BBC2 from 7.30 as it used to be previously.

Not got a clue what happened after that, because I'd got too old for it.

* This is really going off the point a bit but it used to go on until twelve, but in January 1991 for some reason BBC2 must have had some unexpected hole in the schedule, because it went on to nearly two o'clock for a few weeks, just flinging on anything. There's also a clip on YouTube of them clearly running a bit short one week because they fling on Laurel and Hardy unbilled. The thing I used to love about Sunday morning CBBC2 is that you got proper credits like a proper TV show.
Last edited by Steve Williams on 21 July 2014 8:36pm - 2 times in total
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excel99
The Breakfast News simulcast was rebranded as See Hear Breakfast News, for a while that was on at 7.30am, then it was pushed back to 7.15am and then 7.00am before it stopped altogether, it had certainly gone by 1997.

It was still on in October 1997, at 7am
http://tvlistings.thetvroomplus.com/listing-912.html
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A former member
I believe it was in 1995, when studio nine was brought to replace the Broom Cupbroad, when Live Sunday presenters come into play, it as also around the time Grange hill got it Sunday morning repeat. I can remember some strange stack a brick puzzle to the music of Are you being served.

The last time See Hear Breakfast is listed: Friday, 3 April, 1998

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