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Dumbing down, again (August 2003)

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A former member
Re-it-er-ate posted:
That welsh git Edwards is an awful presenter.


Quite apart from the fact that I disagree that he's awful, I think that your mentioning his nationality implies that it is part of what makes you think he's a "git", which is racist. If you didn't mean that, then why mention his nationality at all, as we all know he's Welsh?! Evil or Very Mad

And it should begin with a capital W! Razz

But, more importantly, please give reasons to back up your opinion. Rolling Eyes
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A former member
Moz posted:

Surely they could easily rectify this.

Play out a clock which is 2 seconds fast on both analogue & digital, artificially delay analogue so it goes out the same as digital, and just send out digital as normal.

You should then get analogue & digital in perfect synch and with the clock spot on.


And what about satellite viewers and those in Scotland who get it 8 seconds late.

It's a lot of faff for no real reason
MO
Moz
Larry Scutta posted:
Moz posted:

Surely they could easily rectify this.

Play out a clock which is 2 seconds fast on both analogue & digital, artificially delay analogue so it goes out the same as digital, and just send out digital as normal.

You should then get analogue & digital in perfect synch and with the clock spot on.


And what about satellite viewers and those in Scotland who get it 8 seconds late.

It's a lot of faff for no real reason


8 seconds late!!!! Do they!! God, that's loads.

I think it is for a real reason, surely when TV says it's 6 O'Clock, it should be!

There must be some way of doing it so it goes out at the exactly the same time whatever way you receive or wherever you are.

Is 8 seconds the max delay? If so they could run all of TV 10 seconds fast and then introduce varying delays at different points so at the TV it all comes out at the same time, on time.

I think that's very worthwhile!
NH
Nick Harvey Founding member
Errrrr?

Am I getting deja vu from "another place", Larry?

This "Moz" wouldn't be "Ashley Elford" in disguise, would he?

(For the humourphobics who won't understand, Larry and I are involved in an exactly parallel discussion about radio time signals, over in the UKRadio Forum.)
MB
Mark Boulton
I'm just wondering what happens with "Live" phone-in programmes now if someone from Scotland rings in a programme coming from TVC?

Will it be like the old satellite relays on Eurovision where you hear the presenter coming in over the speaker in Israel 10 seconds later?

Hardly a great leap forward for TV-kind, is it?!
MO
Moz
Nick Harvey posted:
Errrrr?

Am I getting deja vu from "another place", Larry?

This "Moz" wouldn't be "Ashley Elford" in disguise, would he?

(For the humourphobics who won't understand, Larry and I are involved in an exactly parallel discussion about radio time signals, over in the UKRadio Forum.)


No, I'm not. Looked at the thread over on radio forum and this Ashley seems to talk sense!
RE
Re-it-er-ate
Profound Unsound posted:
Re-it-er-ate posted:
That welsh git Edwards is an awful presenter.


Quite apart from the fact that I disagree that he's awful, I think that your mentioning his nationality implies that it is part of what makes you think he's a "git", which is racist. If you didn't mean that, then why mention his nationality at all, as we all know he's Welsh?! Evil or Very Mad

And it should begin with a capital W! Razz

But, more importantly, please give reasons to back up your opinion. Rolling Eyes


First of all he seems snotty, two his accent is off-putting, three there are better presenters who dont keep shuffling uncomfortably.

I'm not racist towards welsh people, as many welsh people who i know will verify.
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A former member
Mark Boulton posted:
I'm just wondering what happens with "Live" phone-in programmes now if someone from Scotland rings in a programme coming from TVC?

Will it be like the old satellite relays on Eurovision where you hear the presenter coming in over the speaker in Israel 10 seconds later?

Hardly a great leap forward for TV-kind, is it?!


It's no problem as you'll hear the conversation/programe coming back down the phone line. It's always been the case that you turn the speaker off on your TV (or radio) as you either get an echo, confused or feedback.

In fact in radio it's very common to have time delays on the output of a station so that they can edit out any libel or swearing in a phone-in.

The advantage with a delay is that if you're quick enough you can move from the phone to the radio and hear yourself on the radio
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A former member
Nick Harvey posted:
Errrrr?

Am I getting deja vu from "another place", Larry?

This "Moz" wouldn't be "Ashley Elford" in disguise, would he?

(For the humourphobics who won't understand, Larry and I are involved in an exactly parallel discussion about radio time signals, over in the UKRadio Forum.)


Er, yes, in fact I was quoting you on the 8 seconds (even though you said 9 - I mnocked 1 off)
DE
denton
Macadam posted:
Moz posted:
I agree that the 10 should start at exactly 10, and there should be a clock.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason the BBC no longer use a clock into the news because on digital platforms, due to the delays in the transmission paths, it's likely to be 2 or 3 seconds slow by the time the viewer sees it?

I think this was also the reason they stopped using cue-dots to tell live programmes when they were due to go on air.


The clock was used on BBC 1 for several years of digital satellite broadcasting and no one seemed to care too much about the delay. If you follow the argument through, then BBC News 24 should scrap their clock, and BBC Radio 4 should scrap the GTS (time pips). The reason the clock was scraped on BBC 1 was because someone in power didn't like it. A clock was designed for BBC 1, it just has not been used.
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A former member
Macadam posted:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the reason the BBC no longer use a clock into the news because on digital platforms, due to the delays in the transmission paths, it's likely to be 2 or 3 seconds slow by the time the viewer sees it?

I think this was also the reason they stopped using cue-dots to tell live programmes when they were due to go on air.


It is one of the reasons why cue-dots stopped being used.

When it comes to the clock I'm not so sure it was the main reason, it was mainly asthetic anyway - I doubt anyone used to actually set their watch by the clock on the TV.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Larry Scutta posted:
When it comes to the clock I'm not so sure it was the main reason, it was mainly asthetic anyway - I doubt anyone used to actually set their watch by the clock on the TV.

I did actually, but only to reset a drifting alarm clock from time to time. Accurate to the second wasnt critical.

I did like the image of a clock leading into the news and I fail to see why it was removed, other than change for change's sake. It only appeared a hanful of times a day after all, and wasnt seen as the primary identity.

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