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BBC 1 & 2 Engineering Closedown: Fri 7th Jan 05

(December 2004)

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JF
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Antz posted:
Does anyone have a video of BBC One going off-air because unfortunately I fell asleep and missed it all! Embarassed Crying or Very sad


Don't worry. I set my alarm trying to wake up during the closedown. I woke up at all the wrong time, and missed the return of News 24.
JF
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mulder posted:
pics and video of the strange test pattern on MHP PPs already.


Do you have the link? I can't find them! Sad
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Antz posted:
Does anyone have a video of BBC One going off-air because unfortunately I fell asleep and missed it all! Embarassed Crying or Very sad


Afraid my DVD recorder furnished me with a coaster Sad My VHS attempt last year was a failure, the loss of synch during the switching didn't go down too well with my humble recorder.
AN
Ant
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Antz posted:
Does anyone have a video of BBC One going off-air because unfortunately I fell asleep and missed it all! Embarassed Crying or Very sad


Afraid my DVD recorder furnished me with a coaster Sad My VHS attempt last year was a failure, the loss of synch during the switching didn't go down too well with my humble recorder.

I programmed the old VCR (I don't have a clue why) to record the BBC One shutdown but it being a worthless piece of cr*p,it didn't work. I luckily managed to tape the BBC Two shutdown. Can't wait to get a DVD Recorder!
MU
mulder
Sign Up To The PPs Here

then goto...

http://pp.meldrum.co.uk/show.asp?id=8193 and
http://pp.meldrum.co.uk/show.asp?id=8194

Steve I.P, how old is your VCR then? Even my Dad's old Goodmans (which is about 13 years old) handles non-sync ok. You usually just get a little picture wobble when the switch happens for about a second on most recorders now.

I'm capturing the closedowns for both 1 and 2 and an edited version of the test from 1 and will upload to PPs sometime tonight if I can.
MA
Markymark
newsmonkey posted:
tvmercia posted:

what function do the moving green, green and red bits in the circle perform?


I don't know if this is the real reason, but with LCD/plasma displays a lot more commonplace it's quite usefull to have a standard moving image test that you can perform on all of them to see which displays moving images with the least amount of "motion blur"

JNL


Also in TV transmission netwoks it's important to know whether the image you are seeing is 'live' and not 'frozen'. For this reason all modern test cards etc incorporate movement

Descriptions and further info here about the test card seen last night:-

http://www.sterlingdobrasil.com.br/fornecedores/vistek/vtk-valid.htm

and here:-

http://www.vistek.tv/products/viewProduct.jsp?code=7508b8b1d5ef2eb40134555059acb26b
MU
mulder
http://pp.meldrum.co.uk/show.asp?id=8198 >>> a collection of bits from last night
SP
Steve in Pudsey
mulder posted:
Steve I.P, how old is your VCR then? Even my Dad's old Goodmans (which is about 13 years old) handles non-sync ok. You usually just get a little picture wobble when the switch happens for about a second on most recorders now.


About 3 years old, from Emley going onto RBS to it coming back the picture was a mess. Of course it could have been the relay of Emley that I'm subjected to that threw a wobbly instead I guess, I wasn't up to find out
IS
Inspector Sands
andyrew posted:
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Useless fact 325: CAR changed its name to CCA about five years ago (central Control Area). There must be a few 'die hards' left in the area. Having said that, whenever I speak to them it's: "hello CAR, sorry, CCA". They so laugh....


Although don't they now say: 'Hello CAR, er, CCA, er Siemens CCA'?
Last time I phoned the sat desk in CCA the phone was answered as 'Hello Siemens Satelite Services'

Quote:

Useless fact 327: That signal shown in a previous post is generally what CCA squirt down all circuits until they are in use. Tells you where it comes from, aspect ratio, bars and 2T pulse and bar. Along with tone (-18dB on digital machines = PPM4), it allows engineers on the receiving end to line up accurately.


And it's not unique to the BBC,ot is used by broadcasters across the world, notably those within the EBU,. There is also a 525 line version of that test pattern.

Part of the purpose of the moving section is to test for lip-sync - the rotating section flashes in time to a gap in the tone
MU
mulder
Steve in Pudsey posted:

About 3 years old, from Emley going onto RBS to it coming back the picture was a mess. Of course it could have been the relay of Emley that I'm subjected to that threw a wobbly instead I guess, I wasn't up to find out


ah, yeah it probably was then. if the signal has gets really bad by the time it gets to the tx you get your picture from, it could play havok.

if they just get the signal and send it straight back out, it's possible that it could wobble like when you copy a tape and give the copy to somebody else, then they copy it for another person and so on. it gets to a point where the signal degrades and starts to wobble and skew and flick into monochrome, besides the loss in definition.
IS
Inspector Sands
Of course the test last night is an absolute worst case scenario. In reality for the whole TX network to be disconnected would take something huge to cause it.

In reality the RBS system is intended for a couple of rebroadcast hops at the most

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