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The Amp, Scuzz and Flaunt

(April 2005)

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nwtv2003
I couldn't help but notice that tonight both The Amp and Flaunt are showing the same music videos, with no DOGs and the picture being cropped very badly, especially when the details of the video appear. Meanwhile on Scuzz they seem to be showing a grey screen, with their logo intact. Anyone know what's going on? Or if this is affecting their sister music channels, as I believe they're no longer owned by Sky.
MR
mromega
Possibly a failure of the playout system. Chart Show TV, B4 and The Vault are also affected.
CE
Chris E Founding member
Chart Show has been suffering from a major fault since around 4pm.

A back up video of the Vault appeared on all stations except Scuzz at around 17:30, which is still the case now.

Prior to that, the ex-Sky channels were displaying a blank screen, but song titles were still appearing, and the DOG's were still going on/off at either side of where the adverts should have been.
AJ
AJ
I believe that the channels are still OWNED by Sky, but are operated on their behalf by Chart Show TV.

The deal was, Chart Show TV would operate the channels in exchange for Sky doing the advertising deals for Chart Show TV.
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The TV Room
What a wise move that was!! How extraodinary that all of these channels can fail in this way and that there's only one back-up service to cover the lot!
IS
Inspector Sands
The TV Room posted:
What a wise move that was!! How extraodinary that all of these channels can fail in this way and that there's only one back-up service to cover the lot!


Not really, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to provide 1 channel to cover all their outlets. Would you really expect the situation where everything failed and some manager popped his head around the door and insisted that there should be 6 seperate back up services...... or not show anything at all?

I think you were probably very lucky to get at least 1 channel out
JA
james2001 Founding member
Chris E posted:
Chart Show has been suffering from a major fault since around 4pm.

A back up video of the Vault appeared on all stations except Scuzz at around 17:30, which is still the case now.


And I presume this is being cropped to 16:9, hence the bad zooming on the videos & the captions.
CE
Chris E Founding member
It's cropped on Flaunt/Amp but is OK on Chart Show, Vault and B4.

Chart Show TV have launched a movie channel today (True Movies, Sky 333) which has also been hit, but luckily it doesn't start properly until Friday.
HA
harshy Founding member
It's broadcast by BT Broadcast, the cock up was thanks to them, hopefully they will continue and give us some fibre feeds Very Happy
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The TV Room
Inspector Sands posted:
Not really, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to provide 1 channel to cover all their outlets.


What seems perfectly reasonable to you is not necessarily what qualifies as being acceptable.

In the case of the BBC, for example, do you think that licence fee payers would find it acceptable if all BBC TV and radio services went off air and the BBC provided *one* substitute service?

Or, in the case of ITV and it's stakeholders - probably a better business comparison...do you think they'd find it acceptable to allow a situation where a generic service went out on ITV 1, 2 and 3...and inevitably suffer a cut in their ad revenue???

Each one of those channels is like a 'slice' of a business. When one goes off air, you are losing out on the advertising revenue being generated by that channel.

In the case of The Amp, Flaunt and Scuzz - these channels are owned by Sky. At the very least, Chart Show TV should have made special contingency arrangements to keep these channels on the air.

At the moment, please keep in mind that the contingency service isn't even broadcasting adverts - the main source of income for this company. So, just now, they aren't even managing to generate revenue. What kind of contingency is that?!?!?!
IS
Inspector Sands
The TV Room posted:
What seems perfectly reasonable to you is not necessarily what qualifies as being acceptable.

In the case of the BBC, for example, do you think that licence fee payers would find it acceptable if all BBC TV and radio services went off air and the BBC provided *one* substitute service?

Or, in the case of ITV and it's stakeholders - probably a better business comparison...do you think they'd find it acceptable to allow a situation where a generic service went out on ITV 1, 2 and 3...and inevitably suffer a cut in their ad revenue???

Each one of those channels is like a 'slice' of a business. When one goes off air, you are losing out on the advertising revenue being generated by that channel.

In the case of The Amp, Flaunt and Scuzz - these channels are owned by Sky. At the very least, Chart Show TV should have made special contingency arrangements to keep these channels on the air.

At the moment, please keep in mind that the contingency service isn't even broadcasting adverts - the main source of income for this company. So, just now, they aren't even managing to generate revenue. What kind of contingency is that?!?!?!


Well that's not our problem as viewers, Chart Show Channels Ltd can do what the hell they want, they are not public service channels like BBC or ITV.

If their problems are so much that they can only broadcast 1 channel then so be it.... it's a heck of a lot better than a blank screen which is the other alternative.

You can provide as many back-ups for a channel as you want, but there is always another scenario lurking around the corner that hasn't or can't be planned for. There's also the factor that the smaller channels will never have a major back up facility as it is just not worth their while. Whereas the big broadcasters can afford to have control rooms lying waiting for a major problem that will happen once in a blue moon..... the smaller channels cannot.

It's a calcuated risk - they could have a back up service which costs them 100's of thousands of pounds a year.... when going off air for less than a day every 4 years would cost them far less
CE
Chris E Founding member
MTV only operate one back-up service too, so should it appear on every channel (rare, but can happen) you end up seeing Alicia Keys on MTV2 and Eminem on VH1 Classic and so on.

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