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Larry Scutta
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thegreenfairy on 1:27 am on Dec. 30, 2001
Chris, BBC America, BBC Canada, BBC Prime and BBC World are all owned by BBC Worldwide, which is a commercial company owned by the BBC. it uses BBC programmes, which I believe it has to pay for even though it is owned by the same company, but is funded entirely commercially,
No license-fee money goes into any BBC Worldwide enterprise, they stand alone as a seperate company. On the other hand, any profits the BBC-W channels make is ploughed back into programme-making to supplement the license fee, so we in the Uk actually benefit from the BBC's commercial activities.
Incidentally, BBC Worldwide also runs all the BBC's tie-in magazines, videos and the UKTV branded channels of cable/satellite/digital TV
Chris, BBC America, BBC Canada, BBC Prime and BBC World are all owned by BBC Worldwide, which is a commercial company owned by the BBC. it uses BBC programmes, which I believe it has to pay for even though it is owned by the same company, but is funded entirely commercially,
No license-fee money goes into any BBC Worldwide enterprise, they stand alone as a seperate company. On the other hand, any profits the BBC-W channels make is ploughed back into programme-making to supplement the license fee, so we in the Uk actually benefit from the BBC's commercial activities.
Incidentally, BBC Worldwide also runs all the BBC's tie-in magazines, videos and the UKTV branded channels of cable/satellite/digital TV
Indeed, not sure how much/if any of the channels makes a profit (I think Prime might do), but the BBC (the non-commercial bit) makes a fortune as all the programmes for World, Prime, America, UK Gold etc have to be bought from the BBC by BBC Worldwide.
Better than having them sat on shelves collecting dust!
JA
I see no problem with us getting US stuff either -- the only issue would be rights; as I understand it the networks generally do not own the rights to the programmes they broadcast (as they are made by independents), which is generally not the case with the BBC.
Don't forget of course that BBC channels in Holland, Belgium and Ireland are unofficial (except in Ireland where they've been available unofficially for so long they've become official now!!!)
Don't forget of course that BBC channels in Holland, Belgium and Ireland are unofficial (except in Ireland where they've been available unofficially for so long they've become official now!!!)
JA
Piece of cake anyway -- a NTSC-PAL broadcast-quality converter can be bought for about the price of a plasma screen
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moss on 1:43 am on Dec. 30, 2001
Stupid question #4:
What technical issues are involved with live feeds from America, regarding NTSC-PAL transfers? Or with a direct digital feed, is this not an issue?
Stupid question #4:
What technical issues are involved with live feeds from America, regarding NTSC-PAL transfers? Or with a direct digital feed, is this not an issue?
Piece of cake anyway -- a NTSC-PAL broadcast-quality converter can be bought for about the price of a plasma screen
WH
No problem, as on Sept 11th Sky News took a feed from Fox and BBC took one from ABC.
Whataday
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moss on 1:43 am on Dec. 30, 2001
Stupid question #4:
What technical issues are involved with live feeds from America, regarding NTSC-PAL transfers? Or with a direct digital feed, is this not an issue?
Stupid question #4:
What technical issues are involved with live feeds from America, regarding NTSC-PAL transfers? Or with a direct digital feed, is this not an issue?
No problem, as on Sept 11th Sky News took a feed from Fox and BBC took one from ABC.
MO
moss
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Yeah, yeah. I forget how easy things are these days! http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ta!
GR
thegreenfairy
Well there are really 2 technical issues
1 is that NTSC carries pictures with about 20% less detail which causes them to look fuzzy and 'distinctly American' when they are shown in PAL - this is annoying but we're used to it. I believe NTSC also doesn't allow for spare lines so there is no teletext.
2 is more basic, they are a minimum of 5 hours behind us so a programme at 5pm in New York would be shown at 10pm in the UK - one possibility would be to store each day's programmes and play thursday out on friday etc. the news would need to be recorded especially but otherwise it might work. But even then, one you take the schedule apart for different news and different promotions (changing the days in trailers) you're more or less making a new UK-based channel, which sort of defeats the object.
1 is that NTSC carries pictures with about 20% less detail which causes them to look fuzzy and 'distinctly American' when they are shown in PAL - this is annoying but we're used to it. I believe NTSC also doesn't allow for spare lines so there is no teletext.
2 is more basic, they are a minimum of 5 hours behind us so a programme at 5pm in New York would be shown at 10pm in the UK - one possibility would be to store each day's programmes and play thursday out on friday etc. the news would need to be recorded especially but otherwise it might work. But even then, one you take the schedule apart for different news and different promotions (changing the days in trailers) you're more or less making a new UK-based channel, which sort of defeats the object.
JA
Could just run the whole thing on a hard-disk-based delay system, like channels like 'Cartoon Network+1' do.
It would need to be a delay of approximately 19 hours, right? (Not ideal I know but technically possible, and in any case, you could get that down to 11 by taking a west-coast feed!!).
That's 22 Tivos linked end-to-end. Problem solved http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/cheesy.gif http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
It would need to be a delay of approximately 19 hours, right? (Not ideal I know but technically possible, and in any case, you could get that down to 11 by taking a west-coast feed!!).
That's 22 Tivos linked end-to-end. Problem solved http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/cheesy.gif http://web.ukonline.co.uk/tv.home/forum/emoticons/biggrin.gif
MO
Off topic: Yuck yuck yuck to CN's way of doing it though. Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Lab have two or three specific cartoons in an episode, and that infernal machine just jumbles them round randomly. In fact, they add generic titles to cartoons like that, which doesn't even list the proper parts for each episode. Why can't they just show the things properly? (Rant over.)
moss
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jason on 1:54 am on Dec. 30, 2001
Could just run the whole thing on a hard-disk-based delay system, like channels like 'Cartoon Network+1' do.
Could just run the whole thing on a hard-disk-based delay system, like channels like 'Cartoon Network+1' do.
Off topic: Yuck yuck yuck to CN's way of doing it though. Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Lab have two or three specific cartoons in an episode, and that infernal machine just jumbles them round randomly. In fact, they add generic titles to cartoons like that, which doesn't even list the proper parts for each episode. Why can't they just show the things properly? (Rant over.)
PZ
pzg
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The BBC consists of four operations, two are public services and the other two are commercial:
-The public services are:
Home Services, which runs the UK non-commercial operations and is funded by the licence fee.
World Service which is funde by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
-The commercial services are:
BBC Worldwide.
Other , which include BBC Resources and BBC Technology.
BBC Worldwide has the following operations: publishing, programme distribution, channels and investment companies.
BBC World buys news to BBC NEWS which is an arm of the Home Services. Last year it loss 11.4 million pounds.
BBC Prime and BBC America buy programs to the BBC and they have to pay a fair price, otherwise is better for the BBC to sell those rights to another company. The BBC sells this channels for a fee, as they don´t have ads (BBC Prime dosen´t have, BBC America I´m not sure)
This channels (World, Prime and America) still lose money, althought last year BBC Prime was earning money.
In any case what BBC Prime shows is BBC Learning during the night, and during the day, cooking programs, changing rooms, quiz shows and documentaries, and sometimes a movie, but all the programs are from the BBC. So, is a combination of BBC One/Two.
-The public services are:
Home Services, which runs the UK non-commercial operations and is funded by the licence fee.
World Service which is funde by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
-The commercial services are:
BBC Worldwide.
Other , which include BBC Resources and BBC Technology.
BBC Worldwide has the following operations: publishing, programme distribution, channels and investment companies.
BBC World buys news to BBC NEWS which is an arm of the Home Services. Last year it loss 11.4 million pounds.
BBC Prime and BBC America buy programs to the BBC and they have to pay a fair price, otherwise is better for the BBC to sell those rights to another company. The BBC sells this channels for a fee, as they don´t have ads (BBC Prime dosen´t have, BBC America I´m not sure)
This channels (World, Prime and America) still lose money, althought last year BBC Prime was earning money.
In any case what BBC Prime shows is BBC Learning during the night, and during the day, cooking programs, changing rooms, quiz shows and documentaries, and sometimes a movie, but all the programs are from the BBC. So, is a combination of BBC One/Two.