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Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

Pretty much a retake on Gameshow Marathon in my opinion.

JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
I think the Strike It Lucky theme was library music, so probably easier to source than an originally written theme whose source tapes may well have been lost.
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NicB1971 Central (West) Midlands Today
I think the Strike It Lucky theme was library music, so probably easier to source than an originally written theme whose source tapes may well have been lost.

The original Strike It Lucky from 1986 theme was called Born to Run by Paul Westwood, DeWolfe library, and is on the ITV50 CD
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NicB1971 Central (West) Midlands Today

A YouTube post says "John [Patrick] told me [YouTube comment writer] the story about when he was asked to write something for this new show [Bullseye], he was told that it had to be upbeat, something people could clap along to, and was definitely not to include any of his usual weird jazz chords (John usually wrote Jazz pieces and is a well known Jazz pianist/performer)" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTx1I_8Af3s


John wrote both the ATV 1981 show cues and the Central 1983 show cues, both were incredibly good and arranged and recorded with live musicians, not in the least bit jazzy with 'weird chords' as you refer.
I'm just saying ITV could have sourced this if they had wanted to instead of using inferior recreations; they used the original music for the 'Strike it lucky' episode so clearly had no issue using original compositions.



A YouTube post says "John [Patrick] told me [YouTube comment writer] the story about when he was asked to write something for this new show [Bullseye], he was told that it had to be upbeat, something people could clap along to, and was definitely not to include any of his usual weird jazz chords (John usually wrote Jazz pieces and is a well known Jazz pianist/performer)" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTx1I_8Af3s


John wrote both the ATV 1981 show cues and the Central 1983 show cues, both were incredibly good and arranged and recorded with live musicians, not in the least bit jazzy with 'weird chords' as you refer.
I'm just saying ITV could have sourced this if they had wanted to instead of using inferior recreations; they used the original music for the 'Strike it lucky' episode so clearly had no issue using original compositions.

My understanding is that the masters of many ATV/Central game/quiz shows such as Bullseye, Family Fortunes (original), Blockbusters were "lost" and that's why they are always recreated on other shows. Same with so many of Ed Welch's themes he made for Central and TVS which he entrusted them with - sadly, they will never see the light of day
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NicB1971 Central (West) Midlands Today
Saturday's version of Bullseye was absolutely awful. If Andrew Wood still owns the rights to the show I'm surprised he let them butcher it so much. I'd heard that the reason it was axed in 1995 was because ITV wanted to alter the format again and he refused - moving it to Saturday was also seen as a disaster. Sunday was, strangely, the right slot for it.... bizarrely, ATV were given the prime Monday 7pm slot before Coronation Street but it didn't succeed. Not sure if Lew Grade hated it tbh. Central moved it to Sunday teatime and it was a cheap, hugely successful show for them.

It clearly doesn't work in an hour format, altering the end game failed and the audience whooping like seals on drugs is just stupid. The quality of the contestants didn't help either... some of the '80s and '90s contestants seemed like Brain of Britain in comparison.

Does ITV think we need hype or can't cope with simple no-fuss 30 minute quiz or game shows? If they are bringing back old favourites for viewers they should keep the format and layout because tinkering with format fail.

I read recently that ITV were unable to obtain the UK rights to bring back 3-2-1.
SP
Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)

My understanding is that the masters of many ATV/Central game/quiz shows such as Bullseye, Family Fortunes (original), Blockbusters were "lost" and that's why they are always recreated on other shows. Same with so many of Ed Welch's themes he made for Central and TVS which he entrusted them with - sadly, they will never see the light of day


I'm not sure that's the case for Bullseye, I remember Chris Moyles getting really excited that his team had managed to get hold of a copy (I think from the composer) for some feature or other not too many years ago.
Write that down in your copybook now.
IS
Inspector Sands

My understanding is that the masters of many ATV/Central game/quiz shows such as Bullseye, Family Fortunes (original), Blockbusters were "lost" and that's why they are always recreated on other shows. Same with so many of Ed Welch's themes he made for Central and TVS which he entrusted them with - sadly, they will never see the light of day

That's not how it works is it? A composer doesn't do a job and then 'entrusts' the client with all his copies.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today

My understanding is that the masters of many ATV/Central game/quiz shows such as Bullseye, Family Fortunes (original), Blockbusters were "lost" and that's why they are always recreated on other shows. Same with so many of Ed Welch's themes he made for Central and TVS which he entrusted them with - sadly, they will never see the light of day

That's not how it works is it? A composer doesn't do a job and then 'entrusts' the client with all his copies.


Although in fairness if you work for a company and create something for them, the company retains the copyright for your work.
But I say say Mr Welch wasn't "employed" by Central or TVS or whoever, its far more likely to be on a freelance basis. Think this works a different way. It just sounds incredible in this day and age that you knock up a ditty and sign it all away to somebody else. But of course these days you can do it digitally in your back bedroom or garage, whereas in the days of Bullseye and Blockbusters you'd probably have to go into a studio somewhere to do the recording and that session may have been funded by Central or whoever?
IS
Inspector Sands
That makes sense, but it's not the case that he would have 'entrusted' the material to the client. It's the clients to do with what they like, they have no compulsion to give it back or keep it safe
MW
Mike W London London
That makes sense, but it's not the case that he would have 'entrusted' the material to the client. It's the clients to do with what they like, they have no compulsion to give it back or keep it safe

Exactly, which is why when Central downsized at Gas Street they threw a lot of their random carts and CDs into a skip... It's theirs to bin!

I don't think necessarily the music is 'lost' though, I think easily accessible copies of it might be missing but nearly everything is out there, somewhere...
HC
Hatton Cross Central (West) Midlands Today
Johnny Patrick was head of music at ATV/Central Birmingham.
Therefore as a member of staff all work written and performed by him (it's him playing the piano on the orginal Bullseye themes) defaulted back to his employers, which was then passed to 'ATV Music Publishing' (As Lord Lew Grade had his own music publishing company) and through various changes through takeovers and ownerships, that (when I spoke to the man himself about 4 years ago) was ended up being owned and the controlled usage and requests of use were admistered by Sky - usually, after consultation with JP a firm but polite "no" was the standard reply.

You wouldn't believe the attempts, stories and excuses made by people over the years to get clean copies of his theme. Although looking at some of the hysterical attempts in getting copyrighted material in the requests section of this place down the years, perhaps you would.

There was a small orchestra recording studio at ATV/Central studios on Broad Street, mostly to pre-recored the backing tracks for singers/bands on New Faces, or Tiswas musical numbers were recorded. But themes and incidental music were also recording in the studio, like the original Bullseye theme.
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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Here's the clip of Chris Moyles explaining how he got hold of all the clean beds for Bullseye (3 CDs worth!) from John Patrick himself, plus the feature he used them for

Write that down in your copybook now.
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Xilla
I remember the original beds for Bullseye, Blockbusters and TVS Catchphrase surfacing on that WeDigTV website many moons ago.

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