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80s Channel 4 Commercial Breaks....

... or, more interestingly, the lack of them! (June 2011)

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Si-Co
Just a little background info first for those not familiar with the arrangements, from 2nd November 1982 until 31st December 1992, advertising time on Channel 4 was sold by the various ITV companies, and inserted into the Channel 4 feed by the ITV stations.

Channel 4 transmitted various 'follows shortly' captions and library music at commercial break points, which the ITV stations opted out of to play their ads. Several examples of these captions - though sadly, not nearly enough - are available on the internet.

In the early days of Channel 4, an industrial dispute with Equity, as well as other factors, meant that only a limited number of adverts appeared on the fourth channel. Some ITV stations filled part of the time with PIFs, but very often we would see the captions and music during part or all of a commercial break.

My question is how long did the lack of ads situation last in the various ITV regions?

On Tyne Tees, up until the end of 1984, it was very common to see the C4 captions, in particular before 6pm and late at night. From 1985 onwards, however, the only time you saw such a caption was after TTT had closed down for the night, or if there was a mishap or a brief industrial dispute which forced TTT off the air.

From what I've read and seen, other regions - notably TSW and UTV - seemed to be showing the C4 captions, even at peak time, much later in the 80s.

I also noticed, when visiting YTV land, that they had plenty of ads to fill up virtually all junctions as early as 1983.

So, what can anyone in the various ITV regions recall about the ads, or lack of them, back in the 80s? And apart from the Equity dispute, why would there be more advertising in one region than another?

Hoping for a few answers, but a nostalgic discussion of early Channel 4 would also be welcome!
Last edited by Si-Co on 6 June 2011 11:23pm - 2 times in total
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A former member
Is it true one of the areas was on strike which also lead to break filler being used in some of the area?
WP
WillPS
Is it true one of the areas was on strike which also lead to break filler being used in some of the area?


If your regional programming contractor was on strike, you either got no Channel 4 (since C4 was routed via the regions GMTV style, I think?), or Channel 4 with the sustaining feed in place of adverts.
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Westy2
TVAM had a similar situation with Equity initially didn't they?

There's a Walls sausage advert fronted by a Walls director or something.

Did TVAM ever go down the 'Programmes follow shortly' route?
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Si-Co
Is it true one of the areas was on strike which also lead to break filler being used in some of the area?


If your regional programming contractor was on strike, you either got no Channel 4 (since C4 was routed via the regions GMTV style, I think?), or Channel 4 with the sustaining feed in place of adverts.


I remember this happening on TTT, and of course during the Thames dispute of 1984. I believe that C4 was re-routed by the IBA to bypass the ITV station, so viewers received the raw C4 feed with no ads.

Not the same as the GM-TV arrangement, as I understand it, as their ads were played out centrally (but with different tx feeds for a half a dozen macro-regions), whereas the early C4 ads were fully local and the feed went through the ITV station. I think Thames had a slightly different arrangement but the principle was the same, and Channel TV may have taken the TSW/TVS ads.

TVAM had a similar situation with Equity initially didn't they?

There's a Walls sausage advert fronted by a Walls director or something.

Did TVAM ever go down the 'Programmes follow shortly' route?


I remember the early TVam problems, and the adverts shown were unique to TVam for the first few months. I believe there were no macro-regions in the early days, just one set of ads sent out from London directly to the transmitters, so there was no need for a sustaining caption (no regional news back then, either!)
Last edited by Si-Co on 6 June 2011 11:18pm
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WillPS
Si-Co posted:
Is it true one of the areas was on strike which also lead to break filler being used in some of the area?


If your regional programming contractor was on strike, you either got no Channel 4 (since C4 was routed via the regions GMTV style, I think?), or Channel 4 with the sustaining feed in place of adverts.


I remember this happening on TTT, and of course during the Thames dispute of 1984. I believe that C4 was re-routed by the IBA to bypass the ITV station, so viewers received the raw C4 feed with no ads.

Not the same as the GM-TV arrangement, as I understand it, as their ads were played out centrally (but with different tx feeds for a half a dozen macro-regions), whereas the early C4 ads were fully local and the feed went through the ITV station. I think Thames had a slightly different arrangement but the principle was the same, and Channel TV may have taken the TSW/TVS ads.



I mean in terms of route to transmitter, crudely:

[GMTV/Channel 4] --> [Regional Programming Contractor] --> [Transmitters]

The Regional Programming Contractor 'interrupts' the GMTV/Channel 4 feed with Local News/Adverts respectively.

I think?
JB
JasonB
Couple of videos on youtube (these aren't done by cwilliams! Laughing )

Break caption in 1986:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-_8Pc-YGk

Break caption with fourscore 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEE1QQMTFHU

And one from 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2H9_jFw5E
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Pete Founding member
It's a magnificent bit of music - Forescore - isn't it?
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Gavin Scott Founding member
Pete posted:
It's a magnificent bit of music - Forescore - isn't it?


That it is.

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/Gavin%20Scott/TV%20-%20Fourscore.mp3
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steveboswell
Pete posted:
It's a magnificent bit of music - Forescore - isn't it?


It is, but it must have got very annoying very quickly for anyone who regularly watched an advert-less C4. Anyone watching Return Engagement in 1986 would have heard it for well over ten minutes during each episode based on that YouTube clip!
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A former member
The full alternative version - not particularly clean.
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Si-Co
Pete posted:
It's a magnificent bit of music - Forescore - isn't it?


It is, but it must have got very annoying very quickly for anyone who regularly watched an advert-less C4. Anyone watching Return Engagement in 1986 would have heard it for well over ten minutes during each episode based on that YouTube clip!


Well, they didn't only play Fourscore / Fourscore 2 during the breaks - in fact as time went on these tracks were used less and less. A full list of interval tracks is available on this great site.

There were actually about 8 different edits of Fourscore and 7 of Fourscore 2, each with a definite end, as commercial breaks could last anything from approx 30 seconds to approx 3 mins 30 seconds. A special one-minute edit of Fourscore was used in the early months to trail the evening's programmes just before 7pm.

The YouTube videos Jason kindly linked to above seem to come from UTV, which was apparently one of the regions in which the least advertising was sold.

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