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MK
Mr Kite
I was talking about the regional news centres (formally independent companies in regards to ITV). A city the size of Liverpool should have its own operation and not be a peripheral add on to a similar-sized city.

And Granada was a through and through Mancunian TV station, every bit as much as Channel M. It's relationship with Liverpool was more distant and blasé. Where the company is based is far from irrelevent.
VM
VMPhil
Erm...surely London (and even that includes surrounding areas) is the only city to have it's own BBC / ITV News operation. Other cities like Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, Glasgow and Edinburgh may feature heavily in the regions they are within but none of the existing services cater exclusively for them. Liverpool isn't on its own.


The fact is though that Granada for many years was (and still is) regarded as having a Mancunian bias.
JO
Justice Once
I was talking about the regional news centres ( formally independent companies in regards to ITV).


I sometimes wonder whether *anybody alive* actually knows the difference between the word formally (i.e. "officially") and the word formerly (i.e. "previously")... Rolling Eyes
IS
Isonstine Founding member
Fair enough, although didn't Granada move its news operations to Liverpool in the 80s?
TH
Thinker
Yesterday's Media Show went to Birmingham, where they talked to, among others, Peter Brooks, ex Channel One and LiveTV, who is with one of the Birmingham bidders.

About 7-8 minutes in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01lv26l
MA
Markymark
I was talking about the regional news centres ( formally independent companies in regards to ITV).


I sometimes wonder whether *anybody alive* actually knows the difference between the word formally (i.e. "officially") and the word formerly (i.e. "previously")... Rolling Eyes


Their's also plenty of people who get there they'res mixed up Razz
MA
Markymark
Fair enough, although didn't Granada move its news operations to Liverpool in the 80s?


It did. Albert Dock (different part to the area used for Richard and Judy) UK's (possibly the world's) first all component video facility.
VM
VMPhil
The sign on the Albert Dock studios was originally 'Granada TV News' but I think later it changed to 'Granada Television'. Granada Reports had a retrospective when they moved back to Quay Street in 2006/2007.
Last edited by VMPhil on 16 August 2012 8:57pm
NU
The Nurse
Does anyone know how this will technically work? For example, Winter Hill covers both Manchester and Liverpool, therefore how can both areas receive their own local service on the same channel?

Edit: Ah ok I've just read the bit about them advertising licences for new local MUXes too. So that brings up a new question - if the MUXes are local they are presumably going to suffer from the same issue as the likes of Channel M, where people's aerials could be pointing in the wrong direction?!
Last edited by The Nurse on 16 August 2012 4:36pm - 2 times in total
MA
Markymark
Does anyone know how this will technically work? For example, Winter Hill covers both Manchester and Liverpool, therefore how can both areas receive their own local service on the same channel?

Edit: Ah ok I've just read the bit about them advertising licences for new local MUXes too. So that brings up a new question - if the MUXes are local they are presumably going to suffer from the same issue as the likes of Channel M, where people's aerials could be pointing in the wrong direction?!


I think, without exception, existing transmitters are proposed to be used for all of local muxes. So for an intended area, all the aerials will be pointing the right way.

Stations such as Winter Hill will have 'petals' operating on the same frequency, but beamed in different directions. So there's no chance in Liverpool of suffering destructive interference from the Manchester service, and vice versa.

Also (unlike Channel M) the signals will be coded with very robust parameters, the downside will be the amount bandwidth available to broadcast with will reduce, so only a couple TV services per mux will be possible, but the upside will be good immunity against interference, and less power required than the main 6 muxes to reach the service area, so reception quality should match the main channels, using low power (read cheap) transmitters,

Technically, there's little doubt local TV will work, financially I've got grave concerns.
MK
Mr Kite
I was talking about the regional news centres ( formally independent companies in regards to ITV).


I sometimes wonder whether *anybody alive* actually knows the difference between the word formally (i.e. "officially") and the word formerly (i.e. "previously")... Rolling Eyes


It's a typo. It happens you know. I also wrote 'it's' when I meant 'its' in another post, despite knowing the difference.
MK
Mr Kite
The sign on the Albert Dock studios was originally 'Granada TV News' but I think later it changed to 'Granada Television'. Granada Reports had a retrospective when moved back to Quay Street in 2006/2007.


Granada Reports moved to the Albert Dock in 1986. At some point in the early 90s, Granada Tonight came from Manchester, whilst the shorter Granada News bulletins remained in Liverpool; including those imbedded into Granada Tonight, which as essentially a magazine format by that time.

If I recall correctly, the news bulletins returned to Manchester in October 1998 to make way for the Shop! channel - a joint venture with Littlewoods. This was when the 'Bringing The News Home To You' look was introduced. I'm not sure, but I think the sign possibly changed to 'Granada Television' around this time.

Shop! closed in 2002 but Albert Dock remained as Granada's Liverpool newsgathering base until they were able to sell it in 2006, when it moved to the Liver Building, but no news broadcast there anywhere as recent as 2006.

Can someone tell me exactly when they moved the main programme back to Manchester. Was it when the 1993 look came in or the 1992 look? I know by the 1993 look, it was definitely coming from Manchester but whilst the 1992 look has a Liverpool backdrop (I'm too young to really remember first hand), the one in the main programme looks more like a picture, rather than the pseudo-live window that appears present in the short bulletins.
Last edited by Mr Kite on 16 August 2012 5:44pm - 2 times in total

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