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JA
james-2001
Surely it depends which would affect the most people? Though I've say the DVB one would, at I can't see FM being shut down any time soon so people would at least have that to fall back on without having to replace any equipment.
NG
noggin Founding member
If only we'd done that with digital radio!


Well HD Radio doesn't exactly improve on the DAB standard, and DAB+ is here in the UK now...

Well, I meant if we had theoretically waited until DAB+ to launch digital radio in the UK, as other countries have been able to do. Though, I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised by DAB+ actually taking off here.

I wonder out of the two possible future switchovers, whether going from the mix of DVB-T/DVB-T2 to solely DVB-T2 or going from DAB/DAB+ to solely DAB+ will be more disruptive?


Well there's a much bigger imperative to drive DVB-T to DVB-T2 than there is for DAB to DAB+...
IS
Inspector Sands
Arguably by waiting 10 years we ended up with better tech to launch with. The same was true of HDTV too...

If only we'd done that with digital radio!


What's your problem with 64kbps mono MP2 audio streams? Razz

That, mostly, isn't the fault of the technology it's the fault of how it's licensed and organised. The multiplex owners just cram in as many channels as they can according to what bandwidth the stations are willing to pay for.

With MW/FM stations are licensed fixed bandwidth and have no choice but to fill it with one station, though some stations did choose to use mono to improve reception
JA
james-2001
Well, with a better codec you'd at least be getting better quality from the lower bitrates! MP2 is 1980s technology.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
I wonder out of the two possible future switchovers, whether going from the mix of DVB-T/DVB-T2 to solely DVB-T2 or going from DAB/DAB+ to solely DAB+ will be more disruptive?

I guess it depends in part on how many cars have been fitted with DAB radios. I suspect most vehicles still have FM/AM radios, so wouldn't notice if DAB was replaced by DAB+. Turning off FM would be far more disruptive, and annoying for my local community radio station who've only recently been awarded an FM licence after many years.


With DVB-T and DVB-T2 I wonder whether the '5 terrestrial channels' would be required to remain using DVB-T for longer whilst other channels switched to DVB-T2. That way it ensured that a basic tv service was still available for anyone with an old receiver (eg. couldn't afford to replace their tv/receiver).
IS
Inspector Sands
Turning off FM would be far more disruptive, and annoying for my local community radio station who've only recently been awarded an FM licence after many years.

The plan for switchover, whenever it happens, is for community stations to stay on FM
NG
noggin Founding member

With DVB-T and DVB-T2 I wonder whether the '5 terrestrial channels' would be required to remain using DVB-T for longer whilst other channels switched to DVB-T2. That way it ensured that a basic tv service was still available for anyone with an old receiver (eg. couldn't afford to replace their tv/receiver).


It's possible - but that hasn't been the route taken by other countries. France switched from MPEG2 SD to H264 HD for the main terrestrial channels recently I believe (though staying with DVB-T), and Germany is switching from DVB-T SD MPEG2 to DVB-T2 HD H265 with only a brief period of simulcasting I believe.

I think the PSB vs COM mix means it's unlikely we'd stick with SD DVB-T on one of the three high-penetration PSB muxes, particularly as the current two remaining SD DVB-T PSB muxes are split between BBC and ITV/C4.
MA
Markymark

I guess it depends in part on how many cars have been fitted with DAB radios. I suspect most vehicles still have FM/AM radios, so wouldn't notice if DAB was replaced by DAB+.
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DAB+ as a mandated format is over ten years old now. Some other countries embraced it earlier, and to a greater extent than we have. I've not (yet) come accrss a factory fitted DAB car radio that can't receive DAB+, not too surprising considering that ten years ago very few car makers were fitting them, and only in top of the range vehicles (if at all) . I would expect the current receiver base of vanilla DAB only receivers to be non-car radio models and 'aftermarket' car radios.

I'm surprised the Beeb haven't yet dipped their toe in the + pool. It works very well, and (everything else being equal) gives equivalent subjective quality at less than half the bit rate of vanilla DAB. The DAB+ stations
on the SDL national mux are more robust in weak reception than the DAB stations on that mux. That didn't make sense to me, as they are all wrapped up in the same transport stream, but an expert from BBC R&D I got chatting to recently assured me that's the case in theory too.
DA
davidhorman
That didn't make sense to me, as they are all wrapped up in the same transport stream, but an expert from BBC R&D I got chatting to recently assured me that's the case in theory too.


Better error-correction codes meaning fewer packets get discarded as broken?
MA
Markymark
That didn't make sense to me, as they are all wrapped up in the same transport stream, but an expert from BBC R&D I got chatting to recently assured me that's the case in theory too.


Better error-correction codes meaning fewer packets get discarded as broken?


Yes, it must be I suppose. The EC is applied at programme stream level with DAB, not (or perhaps additionally to) the transport stream ?

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